Would you?

If you had the opportunity to purchase a titled certified dog that is pregnant would you purchase it?

That would depend on whether I wanted a pile of puppies.

Depending on the circumstances, yes. If she was a bitch that I wanted a litter out of, and I liked the dog she'd been matched with, health testing and everything else looked great, etc. I'd consider it. Especially if I was importing, it might make some sense to bring in the genetics of a whole litter depending on the reasons for the litter and for importing.

No, I don't have time or enough experience/knowledge to handle a pregnant female and a litter of puppies. No way.

Not at this stage, I don't know nearly enough.

In future and depending on the situation, than I would consider it.

I wouldn't. I enjoy raising my own from puppyhood and titling them myself. I have no interest in purchasing a dog who is already titled.

However, that's just me. I have no problem with the idea of someone else doing so, and if they're a member of chaz, they must post pictures when the pups are born

Okay what if the dog were 7 years old and pregnant? Honestly in my oppinion no female that age should be breed.. But what do you all feel?

Im not a breeder, so I really don't know about breeding a 7 year old. I would think it may vary by breed and the health of the bitch prior to being bred.

I got Twist (Dekka and Snip's Mom) at 6.5 from a breeder who was having to get down on dogs (she was no longer breeding) Twist had one litter for me as per the plan. She was very healthy and delivered just fine.

I think it depends on the breed and the health of the bitch. JRTs are not 'old' at 7 they way some large breeds are. I would not breed a 7 year old for her first litter either.

It would completely depend on the situation and the circumstances . I sure would ask many "why " questions .

in chis 7 isnt even middle aged lol, for a great dane 7 is OLD...so it would definatly depend on the individual female, breed, health ect in terms of how old is too old.

would i get a pregnant female?

if that female was exactly what id been looking for and her pregnancy was such that all health testing on both parents had been done ect, AND i was prepared for a newborn litter, then sure, id take a pregnant female on...

i think the key for anyone, would be how much do you want that specific female, what are the details behind the breeding, and how prepared are you for the cost and time involved in raising a litter.

7 is my upper limit, and it's not unusual for collie bitches to have their last litter at 6-7 if they're an exceptional producer or didn't start a breeding career until late for whatever reasons.

Lizzie's mother was imported in utero from England with basically that exact same setup, and I'd like to import a spitz from England in that same situation (well, ideally a younger bitch so that I could breed her one more time)- for the spitz, it'd give me access to more genetics than I'd get by just importing the bitch herself, since there's so few dogs here.

I think I would be curious why someone would breed a dog and then sell it before it even had the puppies. That just kinda scares me.

But actually being the buyer, if the conditions were right I don't see why not. I certainly would shun the person who bought the dog. Personally, no I wouldn't. I'm in no position to take care of pups or feel that I have enough knowelge to do so.

I'm in no position to be overloaded with pups so no I wouldn't

Not a chance. I love looking at pictures of all the wonderful chaz puppies, but I don't care at all to have one of my own, much less a litter of them. Guess I'm a little weird.

Depends on the breed for age. In borzois the girls sometimes don't even get their first heat until 3, and they grow for a looong time. One of the best dogs I know didn't even spring his ribs until he was three. It's actually pretty common in our breed to wait until 5+ years to breed their first litter, the thinking being that if they haven't bloated or gotten cancer by that age you are weeding out the dogs that do carry those problems.

There is one breeder who I have a vast amount of respect for who, in a few cases, waited until a bitch was 9 years old to breed them for their first and only litter. She got such good results that she wished she could have done a second breeding, but they are such good quality in the health department. I mean, when you look at her line, being built off bitches who had successful whelpings into old age and who never bloated or got cancer, hers are one of the longest lived healthiest lines out there.

That's interesting, Romy. I've often wondered if there are any breeders doing something like that for males . . . Freezing their sperm and then waiting years to see if they got cancer or had other ailments.

In the cases I know of where it's been done responsibly, it's one of two things.

First, it's an importer like Eurosport, who would want those pups for their own breeding program, but isn't opposed to letting someone else have them.

Secondly, the bitch isn't bred till AFTER the sale is planned out (that's what happened in teh case of Lizzie's mom- the buyer wanted to buy a bred bitch because it was significantly cheaper (4 figures) than importing a dog and bitch to the US and breeding the same litter here, and made more sense since she wouldn't want to use that dog with his own daughters.

^^^Those both sound like import situations, which I can see. But with both of those, I'd hope the sale/arrangements are made BEFORE the breeding. Infact I could even see if you made arragements like that with local breeders that you wanted to add to your breeding program.

The OP is asking if you should buy a dog who is already pregnant. So they've already bred the dog and then are trying to sell it... which means there was no pre-planning and THAT'S what scares me.

I dont' know the situation with this particular dog, so it may be all and well... but in general... it sounds a little... weird.

I wouldn't do it - just too many irresponsible breeders out there who lie through their teeth about titles and having the dog checked before breeding etc. Sounds suspicious to me and those pups will end up in somebody's back yard on a chain or being bred when they're old enough to bring in some fast cash. You have no way of knowing what lurks in the genetics of those pups. JMO but I would steer clear of that.

xpaen - no, Eurosport offers pregnant bitches for sale fairly regularly- there's one or two every year. Usually these are out of bitches they've bought themselves to train, title, and resell here in the states, and they'll breed her to one of their stud dogs if she's done training and testing but not eyt sold- I don't know for sure, you'd have to talk to them. But from the timing, that's what it seems to be, and I *would* consider them reputable. Import situations are just different, though.

Rittie might well have been bred if I'd waited a few more weeks to buy her- her breeder had an Overland dog that she'd always planned to breed Rittie to, but just never gotten around to it. He's a nice boy, but I'm just as happy she didn't, as he's not who I would have chosen for her.