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#161
07-19-2009, 05:11 PM
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 Actually I don't think anyone who lives in England has any problem with the system. The only people I see here who have problems with it are people who are just claiming to know how it works and are trying to apply it to the way things work in the US. Apparently it got lost somewhere, but not all countries with 'free' health insurance have low wait lines, old equipment and doctors who don't care. Doctors still get paid, just not by insurance companies.  |
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#162
07-19-2009, 05:27 PM
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Why would you ever want to pay when you can apparently get perfect medical attn for free?? The upper class in Britain is increasingly turning to private doctors....why? Cause they have better care & shorter wait times. I have a TON to say on this issue, but it would take way too long to write it all out. The main problem is this: - With universal coverage, medical care will NOT have the potential to be as good as it is in the US (this is ignoring costs)...there is NO incentive - With the US system, waaay too many people are left behind & suffering due to the horrendous costs So where is the balance? Also, people are constantly ragging on the US b/c their costs are so much higher...umm, our costs our higher cause our technology is better & since our technology is better, more people are demanding the use of it cause they think it means better care - which may or may NOT be true, depending on the case. IMO, the entire US culture twds medicine & caring for our bodies needs to change before our health care system will reach a point where it can sustain itself. Right now the mentality of people in America will kill the health care system no matter what. Oh, and for those talking about how no person really can make enough $$ to cover healthcare if you are in an accident...I totally agree...this is why insurance is necessary. There are a few insurances sprouting up that have around a $3000 deductible...that way it is catastrophic coverage only. This is perfect for young, healthy people. IMO, health insurance should be absolutely mandatory...and this type is perfect for a large population. Think about it....car insurance is mandatory in many states (not sure if its all...)...you cannot even think about getting in a car w/out it...you will be thrown in jail if you do. W/car insurance, YOU pay for your "check ups" - oil services, routine maintenance, etc....this is by no means a solution in itself...just one part of it.
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#163
07-19-2009, 05:37 PM
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Rubbish. Sorry, but it is  People are increasingly turning to private?? Not true. People might go priavte if their work pays for it, but you'll find VERY few people who go private of their own accord. There has ALWAYS been private healthcare. However very few people use it because they are happy with the experience they get with the NHS. If people have the cash and want a private room over a ward, then they PAY extra for it. The waiting lists are often less, because very FEW PEOPLE use private health care, because it's an expensive waste of money. They do not have better care. In fact, you'll insult an AWFUL lot of hard working doctors, nurses, and pretty much EVERYONE who works their arse off in the NHS by saying that. Most of the consultants who you see work as private consultants AND for the NHS. You're usually likely to see the SAME person whether you pay or not. People DO take private insurance. I don't doubt it has increased with the increase of disposable income. But it is still the minority by far. I don't know ANYONE with private health care... my brother got some knee work done through his work, but he said the experience was terrible. It's not any different, you just pay for the pleasure - which in todays society is everything isn't it.
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#164
07-19-2009, 05:42 PM
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It only took them a hour tog et a room ready for my grandpa in ICU. He has been there now for 1.5 weeks. he has a nurse around the clock at his bed side, all for him. Who look after him 24/7 are there for him AND for us as moral support and for questions ect. When my brother needed surgery for his collapsed lung, he was in the next day. Stayed there for 3 days. Maybe other parts of the country there are massive waits, shady doctors, old equipment. but my towns hospital is great, great staff, great care, new equipment, they are building a whole new few wings on it right now. I dont mind paying taxes for some on to have surgery, see a doctor if needed, have a baby, get a xray ect.
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#165
07-19-2009, 05:48 PM
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| Well no one that I know has ever experienced problems with the US health care system...therefore, it must not actually be flawed. Unfortunately my source is from a book that I cannot remember the name of...it was published in 2008 or 2009 though & gives facts about health care systems around the world...it was a legit book. Just doing a quick google search though, I came up with this: Waiting Times. Waiting lists are a huge problem in Great Britain. Some examples: 750,000 are on waiting lists for hospital admission - 40% of cancer patients are never able to see an oncologist - There is explicit rationing for services such as kidney dialysis, open heart surgery and care for the terminally ill - Further, minimum waiting times have been instituted to reduce costs. “A top-flight hospital like Suffolk Est PCT was ordered to impose a minimum waiting time of at least 122 days before patients could be treated or the hospital would lose a portion of its funding.” Same source says 10% of brits have private. Source: Healthcare Economist Health Care Around the World: Great Britain
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#166
07-19-2009, 05:53 PM
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 So waiting lists really aren't that bad in the long run. I imagine less people go to the doctors with early symptoms in the US due to not having funding for minor visits? I'd google it too, but I know it's pretty much fact - I've seen it posted on this very forum. You can pick fault - some areas of the country are more well off than others - FACT. Some areas have waiting times, others don't. I'm lucky - I've never had to use hospital *touch wood*. But like I say - I am the healthy one. A severly asthmatic sister (who is training to be a nurse within the NHS), a dad who had cancer, a gran who had cancer, a brother who is just MAJORLY accident prone, a mother who has suffered ectopic pregnancies etc etc etc and not has wait. You can hunt down the horror stories - there are LOTS. But you'll find there are MANY MANY MANY 1000's more satisfied 'customers'.
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#167
07-19-2009, 05:53 PM
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When I do go, it's like a $20 co-pay and the insurance takes care of the rest. My last dentist appointment was $10. Not an issue of funding, just an issue of time/desire. Quote:
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#168
07-19-2009, 05:55 PM
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My point: stop generalizing.
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07-19-2009, 05:56 PM
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07-19-2009, 05:59 PM
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Pot, kettle, black. Statistics do not measure personal satisfaction, and to be fair, I could go out there and ask 100 people and get exactly the answer I wanted should I choose to. If you're all so happy jolly, why are you saying it needs reform? If you don't like our way because you're scared of your own inadequate governement, then oh dear... but don't slate our way when you really have no clue how it works in reality. Day to day actually average joe receiving their care. You'll find MOST people LIKE the NHS for all it's drawbacks, and appreciate the system GREATLY. Ask any Brit who has had an accident abroad then received the bill.
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