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Old 05-21-2009, 03:03 PM
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thank you alot for all the posts. We did find a breeder a hour away with black and salt pepper puppies and there only 200 . So we are going this Sat to take a look at them, they did send us pics of them and they sure are cute so we got to look at them better and ask a ton of questions to make sure there healthy and every thing.

oh and we did go by the shelter they had a few schnauzer type dogs but they were big like 25+ pounds :\ not sure what they were mixed with tho they did not know.
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:18 PM
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If you are buying a pup for 200 you will have the same predicatability as the one from the shelter.

Sigh.. why would you support a BYB?

Just to put in perspective.. unless they are independantly wealthy.. they are going to be skimping in all sorts of ways. I figure it costs at least 350 a puppy JUST IN COSTS if everything goes perfectly and taking out any showing costs!!! how they can be selling them for less

By buying from a BYB...
You will be standing a VERY high chance of behaviour or health problems, as well as lack of Shnauzerness at that price.

You will be directly contributing to the overpopulation problem in your country.

All to save a little money at the outset. (but I can guarantee you it will cost you more in teh long run)
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:19 PM
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thank you alot for all the posts. We did find a breeder a hour away with black and salt pepper puppies and there only 200 . So we are going this Sat to take a look at them, they did send us pics of them and they sure are cute so we got to look at them better and ask a ton of questions to make sure there healthy and every thing.

oh and we did go by the shelter they had a few schnauzer type dogs but they were big like 25+ pounds :\ not sure what they were mixed with tho they did not know.
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:22 PM
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If they are only $200 I can guarantee you that this person is BYB with no health testing beyond "Yeah, the mom had her shots last year". They will not have screened for genetic diseases, proven the dog's temperament or worthiness to be bred in any way beyond the "cute factor" and you will quite likely end up with a pup that is wormy and stands a good chance of developing some issue that will more than make up the $300 you think you are saving yourself by not going to a reputable breeder.



Boxer, even though you have wisely been absent the last few days, let me clarify something.

There are so many purebreds in shelters right now it's mind-boggling. 90% of the rescue listings I get in my in-box each and every day are for dogs that were dumped because the owner was moving, got tired of taking care of them, or didn't realize that the cute little $200 fluff bundle they picked out of someone's newspaper ad would grow up to be a giant shedding dog with no built-in concept of proper manners because people seem to have this idea that dogs just magically know what "sit" and "come" mean.

Yes, there are dogs in shelters with behavioral problems. Sometimes they are more than just not having any training, but any good shelter will be aware of that fact and duly note it to any potential adopters.
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:26 PM
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Your breeder MUST do CERF testing for eyes. Schnauzers can have PRA. I would also expect OFA x-rays for hips. There is also a DNA test that can be done to find out if a dog is a carrier for myotonia.

Call this "breeder" up and ask her about what kind of health testing she does. She won't have done any... I would put money on it.
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:31 PM
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How large are schnauzer litters?

For chihuahuas (averaging 1-5 puppies in a litter, but normally 2-4), $200/puppy wouldn't even cover prenatal care for the mom, high quality food, vaccines and vet checks for mom/puppies, and that's not even including health testing, outside stud fees, showing costs, etc, etc.

I just couldn't imagine "cheaping out" on a puppy and supporting an unethical breeder at the same time. Especially on a breed prone to many health issues.
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:44 PM
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Talk to your mom, you need to realize something.

7 years ago i was just like YOU, all i wanted was a cute dog and breeders were so expensive that I decided I would save a couple of bucks and buy my cute little bichon frise at a backyard breeder from the newspaper. why not? i didnt want a show dog or papers, i just wanted a cute puppy! My mom told me she wouldn't even think of spending more than $300 for a pup so we went to go see the breeder, picked out a pup and brought him home

3 days later, the puppy came down with distemper, over $2000 in vet fees later, he did recover. Now he has MANY other genetic problems, that do cost a lot to keep up with, problems with his heart, knees, joints ect..

We could've saved all that money and heartbreak if we would've just gone to a GOOD breeder. all the things charlie has wrong with him could've been spotted and stopped if she had health tested her dogs.

You aren't just doing the wrong thing by going to one of those "cheap" breeders. you are doing a STUPID thing.

Charlie costed us $250 but if you add that up with the $2000 for distemper, $1000 surgery for his knees, and of course the heart xrays, medications, ect.. ect..
we've spend A LOT of money on him.

Now if we would've went to a GOOD breeder, Charlie mightve costed us a bit more AT FIRST. but all those other vet expenses WOULD NOT HAVE EXISTED. a good breeder would NEVER let a breeding like that happen, and if something does happen to your dog, they stand behind you and help.
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Old 05-21-2009, 04:50 PM
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Talk to your mom, you need to realize something.

7 years ago i was just like YOU, all i wanted was a cute dog and breeders were so expensive that I decided I would save a couple of bucks and buy my cute little bichon frise at a backyard breeder from the newspaper. why not? i didnt want a show dog or papers, i just wanted a cute puppy! My mom told me she wouldn't even think of spending more than $300 for a pup so we went to go see the breeder, picked out a pup and brought him home

3 days later, the puppy came down with distemper, over $2000 in vet fees later, he did recover. Now he has MANY other genetic problems, that do cost a lot to keep up with, problems with his heart, knees, joints ect..

We could've saved all that money and heartbreak if we would've just gone to a GOOD breeder. all the things charlie has wrong with him could've been spotted and stopped if she had health tested her dogs.

You aren't just doing the wrong thing by going to one of those "cheap" breeders. you are doing a STUPID thing.

Charlie costed us $250 but if you add that up with the $2000 for distemper, $1000 surgery for his knees, and of course the heart xrays, medications, ect.. ect..
we've spend A LOT of money on him.

Now if we would've went to a GOOD breeder, Charlie mightve costed us a bit more AT FIRST. but all those other vet expenses WOULD NOT HAVE EXISTED. a good breeder would NEVER let a breeding like that happen, and if something does happen to your dog, they stand behind you and help.
Great post, Fran.

Threads like this really hit close to home because my husband and I did a VERY stupid thing 4 years ago.

We were both in college and wanted a puppy, and knew nothing about dogs. We knew we wanted a chihuahua, though, so we found an ad in the paper for a litter of chihuahuas.

After getting to the house, there was only one puppy left. He was in a rubbermaid tub full of cedar shavings, and smelled terrible. We couldn't leave him there... sooo we paid the $375 for him.

He was a cute puppy. Floppy ears, bow legs, an underbite, a long snout... everything a well bred chihuahua isn't supposed to have.

Anyway, he had worms and an ear infection so we had to spend a good bit of money at the initial vet appointment.

He would do this crazy growling thing as an 8 week old puppy... would shake and snarl and bite. We thought he was just playing and would grow out of it. He would submissively pee on the floor... and had major crate aggression issues as he grew older.

We eventually had to rehome him to a single dog home with a trainer who lost her chihuahua last year.

This is what happened to our cute puppy from the newspaper. Major dog aggression, even towards other chis (which the breed ISN'T supposed to have) along with a whole medley of other aggression issues.

Please don't support a breeder like this. You've been on this forum for 5 years and should know better.
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Old 05-21-2009, 05:06 PM
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Schnauzers are also known for forming stones AND having seizures. Neither one of those is cheap to take care of. While I haven't dealt with stones (thankfully), I have dealt with seizures and it is not fun. Its heartbreaking and it gets expensive. No matter how "good" of a price you think you are paying, its not that good in the end.
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You got great advice here and yet chose not to listen.

That's too bad
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