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Old 05-08-2009, 01:34 AM
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Hello i am looking for some advice cause i am getting a new Maltese x Shitzu puppy in 4months for my 13 birthday. I want to get a female to breed with our Mini Foxy x Chiuahaha male we have. I would like to know is it a wise descision or should i just get male Malshi instead of a female??

I would also like some puppy info on how to paper train it. And other stuff.....

Thank you
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Old 05-08-2009, 02:10 AM
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First off, Happy (early) birthday and welcome to the forum.

Second, I'm moving this to the Breeding Ground where it will get the attention and responses you're hoping for.

Third, Because I know we've got a TON of good information for you, I'm going to let the age limit slide just a really should already be 13 before joining this forum.

Fourth, you are going to be SO much better off just getting a dog because you want a faithful companion for many years. The breeding you want to attempt will be costly and quite-possibly life-threatening for the female, not to mention irresponsible. You would be breeding two mutts together with nothing more to offer than any of the thousands of other adorable mixed pups waiting in a shelter just like them.

Please stick around and research what it means to breed, it's more than just putting a male and a female together. Also, read up on what puppymills are, what an irresponsible breeder is, what a responsible breeder is and how to find a good shelter or rescue.
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Old 05-08-2009, 08:59 AM
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Hi. Welcome to the forum!

As a breeder I really don't suggest that you do.

Breeding is a wonderful, difficult, and at times heartbreaking hobby. But breeding ethically is the most important thing you can do. If you want to get into breeding (and I think its great that you are young and keen ) I suggest you go out and get a pup from an established breeder.

This will do a few things for you. One it will get you a mentor, someone who will be there and help you along the way. Two it will ensure you are getting a pup with health tested parents, grand parents etc... Three it will help you find good puppy buyers because your pups will be from known lines.

I am actually not against breeding cross breds. But you need to be breeding for a purpose.... What are you trying to produce that isn't already in shelters dying waiting for a home? The trick with breeding cross breds is the health testing... are at least all the grand parents tested? (and that doesn't mean the vet says they are healthy) This may mean exrays or DNA tests depending on the breeds that they are made up from.

Remember a good breeder is responsible for the pups for life. You should be willing to give a refund if any of these puppies shows an inheritable issues, health or temperament wise. Personally I wouldn't risk that unless I knew my stock was as genetically healthy as possible.

Its also expensive to breed. If everything goes perfectly its still costly enough.. but if things go wrong will you have the cash set aside to cover things like a C section?

I suggest you get the pup that is going to suit you best. Have him or her fixed and just love that dog as a great pet. Then start researching breeds... If you want to get into breeding you are going to be promoting that breed (or type).. so make sure you LOVE the breed. (my breed is the Jack Russell Terrier.. I could talk your ear off about these amazing little monsters ) Find a breeder who is willing to take you on. There are junior handler classes in all sorts of dog events.. if you develop a good rapport with a breeder they may be willing to let you show some of their dogs to gain experience. There is a girl who goes to all the JRT trials with a big breeder. She is 15 I think and has a great time and is WONDERFUL with the dogs. Both her and the breeder benefit from the relationship.

I would also take some classes with your new pup. Some basic obedience or agility etc. If you want to get into the dog world... its can be very welcoming for juniors. My son competes in the JRT trials and in agility and has a blast.

Good luck!

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Old 05-08-2009, 09:16 AM
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Since you will be 15 before you should even think of breeding, I hope that you'll reconsider by then .
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Old 05-08-2009, 10:11 AM
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Old 05-12-2009, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Puppylover4eva View Post

Hello i am looking for some advice cause i am getting a new Maltese x Shitzu puppy in 4months for my 13 birthday. I want to get a female to breed with our Mini Foxy x Chiuahaha male we have. I would like to know is it a wise descision or should i just get male Malshi instead of a female??

I would also like some puppy info on how to paper train it. And other stuff.....

Thank you
Are you trying to breed to create designer dogs? That is not something you should be doing. There are shelters full of designer dogs, so your breeding will just contribute to that. Breeding dogs is not done out of entertainment, but because you want to improve the breed. Breeding is a very expensive hobby that should be done responsibly and only by people who are fully knowledgeable about the breed. Mixing 3 breeds to get a new breed is just irresponsible breeding. You don't know what you will get. What temperament those dogs will have, what personalities, what health problems, etc.
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Old 05-13-2009, 01:21 AM
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If you're wanting to get into breeding, especially with small breed dogs you really need to find a mentor. There are situations that can arise that no book can prepare you for, and having an experienced hand there can literally be life or death.

With toy and small breed dogs there are important factors to consider, like the size difference between the sire and dam. Breeding a female who is too small, or to a male that is too close in size to her can kill her. C-sections are much more common in small breed dogs than average sized dogs, they are very expensive and the survival rate for mother and the puppies isn't exactly 100%. Without knowing what the actual size your female puppy will be when she's full grown, you don't know if it would even be possible for her to carry a litter out of your male.

Dekka brought up a lot of good points. There are misconceptions out there that mixed breed dogs are healthier. In reality, a mixed breed dog has a chance of inheriting genetic disease from each parent. In all four breeds that would be involved in the breeding you are asking about luxating patella is not uncommon and needs to be x-rayed for. And that is only one disorder. Whether a dog is mixed or purebred, doing the screening is very important to make sure they are not crippling the next generation of dogs with genetic disease.

Lastly, when you are mixing breeds it really becomes a crapshoot as to what you are going to produce. Especially when it's a second generation cross. Their temperaments, energy levels, coats, size, etc is going to be all over the place. When you consider that some of the main reasons given by people dumping there dogs are "he sheds too much, he bites, he's too hyper," etc. you can see the importance of doing a breeding that will give you a predictable temperament and other specific traits that you want in your puppies, so that the people getting them will be getting something they know they can live with.

The suggestion to get involved with a responsible breeder as a mentor is great! I have seen it work very well, and made for some very successful Jr. handlers, trainers, etc. One girl I know is making big bucks now handling other people's dogs at shows, and she's only 16. She loves working with the animals, and getting involved with everything.
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Old 05-13-2009, 10:16 AM
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I hope you come back and post and learn some more. I think you should neuter you rmale and when you get your pup you should pick one that fits well with you and then alter that one too.

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