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Old 05-07-2009, 11:15 AM
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Some dogs are like that. In fact most tollers I know don't care about new people at all. Cedar (my fave toller ever) gets a little happy to see me.. but generally ignores new people after a sniff.
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Old 05-07-2009, 11:26 AM
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I'm hoping I didn't do something wrong, and I strongly believe I did not, but Pit is very much like you described.

I didn't train him to be calm all the time, but he turned out that way for some reason. He doesn't get excited when people come over, he prefers not to go meet new dogs (although his breed is aloof, so that's fine) but he also doesn't get excited when I come home from a long day of being away. He doesn't get excited to go for walks, to go for car rides, to see people he hasn't seen in a long time.. he's just very calm.

That being said, he was that way right from the start as an 8 week old puppy. This puppy had NO desire to be a puppy, no matter how much I tried to encourage it.

He has moments of life, like when we play fetch in the river, or the first while of being let off leash with Zero, so he's not a zombie or anything. But I think if I had actually trained him to be calm, he could probably be one of those dogs you described that is always calm.

I don't doubt he's a happy dog. I don't know how happy he'd be if he never got to show excitement.

I don't think you have done anything wrong in respect of Pit being overly calm, if that is his personality.

I am mostly talking about the kind of people that take their dog to training classes and take it to the extreme.
(They pretty much force the dog to not be a dog anymore.)
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Old 05-07-2009, 11:34 AM
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To me training classes should not do that. Kaiden has taken soooo many training classes.. and he is still a bouncy exuberant boy! Training, in and of itself won't make a dog not express itself.
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Old 05-07-2009, 11:36 AM
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Bronki was a calm dog. He was a deep thinker, slow to respond and really cared not for anyone but me. Company did not interest him in the least. HE was well behaved to a t, and like Mary there was very little training to it. THere is nothing wrong with that either.
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Old 05-07-2009, 11:50 AM
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Bronki was a calm dog. He was a deep thinker, slow to respond and really cared not for anyone but me. Company did not interest him in the least. HE was well behaved to a t, and like Mary there was very little training to it. THere is nothing wrong with that either.
No there isn't anything wrong with that
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Old 05-07-2009, 11:51 AM
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To me training classes should not do that. Kaiden has taken soooo many training classes.. and he is still a bouncy exuberant boy! Training, in and of itself won't make a dog not express itself.
It will if the owner of the dog uses it improperly
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Old 05-07-2009, 11:55 AM
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It will if the owner of the dog uses it improperly
Perhaps.. though I know some VERY harsh trainers who's dogs are still pretty exuberant (not saying they should be harsh)

That is like saying school will make your child shut down. It could if you got the wrong teachers.. but its not likely.. and the benefits of a good education far far out weigh the risks.

I can't say out of the many many many many highly trained dogs I know that any of them are shut down at home.. (I have seen 3 that are shut down in the ring.. )
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It's one thing to teach a dog to follow commands when excited (go to mat/crate when someone comes, sit and stay so you don't mob the doorway etc.) and be able to listen to the rules put in place (no jumping or barking would be common ones) and it's another thing to force the dog to loose interest in visitors. To actually punish a dog to the point where he no longer cares for guests because guests are bringers of punishment and should be avoided is really sad.
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Old 05-07-2009, 12:17 PM
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Pepper was shut down to humans period. I think some seriously harsh training was applied to her and she quit it all.
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Old 05-07-2009, 12:30 PM
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It will if the owner of the dog uses it improperly
Well, sure but anything will be bad if used improperly. I've been in a minimum of one training class a week (either agility and/or obedience) every single week since about 3 weeks after I got Meg. That's three years. Am I "over-doing" it?

Some people who only see her in certain situations may think she's being 'over-trained', although I hope nobody ever looks at her and thinks she unexcited by life. I took her to the Little League field last night when there were a million kids/dogs/adults running around like lunatics, and trained a bit. Heeling, laying quietly, not getting up when people walked by, etc. I don't want her getting up and trying to visit every human who walks by, so I'm training her not to. But it's a behavior she's learning to perform, not an attitude adjustment I'm trying to create.

So I guess what I'm saying is - if you are thinking about a particular dog you know, how often do you see the dog and in how many different situations? If you are asking in general, I absolutely think that some types of training can create a shut-down, unhappy dog very easily. I also think there are some amazingly well-trained dogs who adore their lives and their work, and who may never go great people or other dogs because it's been trained into them. They are often the same dogs who I see doing all their obedience "in drive", like the enthusiasm Lyric clearly showed in his training. Prompt obedience and good behavior don't have to mean shut-down and unhappy.
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