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Old 04-12-2009, 12:19 AM
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2 year would be my ABSOLUTE minimum, and even thats a crappy health warentee...most health issues dont show up untill 2yrs or older...

5 yrs would be ok and probably about as good as many breeders will give.

life time is rare.

the thing i would stear away from the most on this one though is the fact there charging so much for a PET dog and MORE for "tiny" ones...
a good breeder will charge the same or less for a runt, but their screening SHOULD be stricter.
paps are small as is but when your getting into "tiny" and charging almost $2000 for the privledge? that screams BYB.

mabe lauralins breeder for her families paps can steer you in the right direction?
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Old 04-12-2009, 01:22 AM
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Hmm, looking back at one of my dog's contract, some things are 2 years and some are 5 years.

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Old 04-12-2009, 09:47 AM
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I'm torn on this one . To me no breeder knows what may be down the road .
I don't agree with this, I do believe that too many breeders are taking too many risks when they KNOW there are genetic problems within their breed. Many of them, in pursuit of Titles and CH, waive those risks. Now if they were held accountable for what they produce for nothing less than half the years that a given dog should live for, they would probably be more careful, especially if it was going to it them in the pocket book.

In my opinion a 2 yr or less contract ONLY protects the breeder, it doesn't protect the dog, the breed and certainly not the new owner.

I have heard breeders say such things as...........'breed them early BEFORE anything shows up'.

'It's not my responsiblity to inform people of the genetic issues, they need to do that research for themselves'. Yeah that works as long as the effected dogs (often siblings/sires/dams etc) have all their testing recorded AND up to date. Funny how those dogs just kinda disappear.

Or the breeder when in asked about the high risk of breeding one dog with the loaded pedigree for eye problems, just shrugged their shoulders.

Those examples are NOT byb's.

So no a breeder can't know what is always in the future and they may get some surprises. And yes the more you breed and the higher numbers of breeding dogs you have the risks certainly goes up........but having said that too many are still too careless for my liking.

Years ago, there was no genetic testing, but those days are long gone and there is no excuses these days for breeders to not do the testing and to be honest about it for the better of their breed.
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Old 04-12-2009, 09:50 AM
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2 year would be my ABSOLUTE minimum, and even thats a crappy health warentee...most health issues dont show up untill 2yrs or older...

5 yrs would be ok and probably about as good as many breeders will give.

life time is rare.

the thing i would stear away from the most on this one though is the fact there charging so much for a PET dog and MORE for "tiny" ones...
a good breeder will charge the same or less for a runt, but their screening SHOULD be stricter.
paps are small as is but when your getting into "tiny" and charging almost $2000 for the privledge? that screams BYB.

mabe lauralins breeder for her families paps can steer you in the right direction?
I sent her a pm already with all the breeders I can think of. The problem is I haven't really looked into too many others past initial inspection.

Have you started looking at any of the ones in Florida I sent you? I know some don't have websites but I've heard some really good things about them. My area has a lot less breeders than either of the coasts.
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Old 04-12-2009, 09:56 AM
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I sent her a pm already with all the breeders I can think of. The problem is I haven't really looked into too many others past initial inspection.

Have you started looking at any of the ones in Florida I sent you? I know some don't have websites but I've heard some really good things about them. My area has a lot less breeders than either of the coasts.
Ive emailed the ones in florida still waiting for a response, they must be really busy though. But im starting to warm up to the idea of them not having a website lol I can ask all the questions I want

Oh and the list with breeders in each state helped also, i had no idea that many people bred paps! lol they really must be like potato chips..
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Old 04-12-2009, 10:07 AM
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Ive emailed the ones in florida still waiting for a response, they must be really busy though. But im starting to warm up to the idea of them not having a website lol I can ask all the questions I want

Oh and the list with breeders in each state helped also, i had no idea that many people bred paps! lol they really must be like potato chips..
They are. That list is a god place to start but not all breeders are equal quality on there. Some breeders can also refer you to people off the list but may be active in local clubs and such.
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Old 04-12-2009, 10:13 AM
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Breeders are not *od. No matter how careful you are, sometimes things will happen. I do not think it is reasonable to hold breeders responsible for thing that happen after about 3 years of age. Most health testing is done by 2 years of age. (hips elbows eyes heart, patellas, Legg Perthe, etc.).

While as a breeder I really want all my puppy people to be satisfied, things that happen or go wrong after age 3 and after screening has been done to ensure general health honestly I don't feel I can be responsible for legally or monetarily.

Having said that there are always circumstances that defy whatever "rules" you as a breeder have set up for yourself and your buyers. If I had a buyer who ran into a terrible circumstance (early cancer death, to name one) I would want to offer them another puppy should I have one available and should they want one.

I do not think, however, that a 6 month guarantee is adequate.
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:22 AM
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Breeders are not *od. No matter how careful you are, sometimes things will happen. I do not think it is reasonable to hold breeders responsible for thing that happen after about 3 years of age. Most health testing is done by 2 years of age. (hips elbows eyes heart, patellas, Legg Perthe, etc.).

While as a breeder I really want all my puppy people to be satisfied, things that happen or go wrong after age 3 and after screening has been done to ensure general health honestly I don't feel I can be responsible for legally or monetarily.

Having said that there are always circumstances that defy whatever "rules" you as a breeder have set up for yourself and your buyers. If I had a buyer who ran into a terrible circumstance (early cancer death, to name one) I would want to offer them another puppy should I have one available and should they want one.

I do not think, however, that a 6 month guarantee is adequate.
thats what im looking for. A breeder that CARES about the puppy/dog i have, asks questions, wants to know how the dog is doing, and would CARE! finding a breeder like that is proving to be rather difficult..

Ive done applications, answered each question throughly and received nothing more than ---- X ------ are expecting pup in may. pets are $ and show potentials are $$
no questions for me WHAT SO EVER.
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:54 AM
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Keep looking, Fran. You will find the right one, someone that will be your friend and your mentor as well as your breeder. They are out there, but hard to find sometimes.

Good luck!
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Old 04-12-2009, 06:23 PM
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Keep looking, Fran. You will find the right one, someone that will be your friend and your mentor as well as your breeder. They are out there, but hard to find sometimes.

Good luck!
sooo red.. you wanna start breeding papillons?? lol

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