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Old 04-07-2009, 07:06 PM
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well you and I and others know it's not about helping dogs at all...it's about "liberating" them. :eyeroll:
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:09 PM
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I think she was referring to non malignant lumps. So if its biopsied an its found to be non cancerous it should be left...
It you read the post that is not what was said....

Most surgery is not life or death, but does have an effect on the animal's comfort level.
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:23 PM
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Comfort level. Hmmmm. I wish someone would think about the comfort level of Pit bulls/fighting dogs, or the comfort level of the millions upon millions of abused dogs; starved, chained up with no food/water, beaten, frightened, left out in the freezing cold. The list goes on and on. Why don't people get their priorities straight as to what is really affecting dogs? The effort and success at stopping animal abuse is less than the effort and energy put into this crop, dock and dew claw stuff. The consequences abusers face are far too lenient. Where is everyone? The efficiency of stopping abuse is pathetic. To mention crop/dock/dew claws in the same breath as mistreatment of animals is ludicrous!!!
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:45 PM
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that aren't tech. necessary....lump removals...and such...same difference.


THAT IS WHAT WAS SAID.....AREN'T TECH NECESSARY...does that include cancer....that is up to the person deciding...if the lump being removed risks the life of the dog, that is a call the OWNER SHOULD MAKE...

What i am talking about is having SKIN TAGS or fatty deposits removed...cuz honestly in the long run, they aren't TECHNICALLY NECESSARY...they are for the most part COSMETIC...


WHY are we focusing on C/D and even dews when there are SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS...

and since when does c/d ONLY mean to LOOK like breed standard? Why isn't it so that a JRT with a tail doesn't injure itself, or a dog that does SAR doesn't tear its dew off or break its tail....it isn't JUST to look pretty...

SIGH...

Hoping i said it in anger....no....frustration yes, but mostly i am tired of people vilifying those of us that CHOOSE to do these procedures but those that choose to have fatty tumors, or skin tags removed, or have their pet s/n are just "doing what is right".
Who draws that line? And where can we erase and redraw...

This will only lead to more CL posting like was posted last week or so, people offering HOME CROP JOBS...yeah that solves the problem...

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Old 04-07-2009, 10:14 PM
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Comfort level. Hmmmm. I wish someone would think about the comfort level of Pit bulls/fighting dogs, or the comfort level of the millions upon millions of abused dogs; starved, chained up with no food/water, beaten, frightened, left out in the freezing cold. The list goes on and on. Why don't people get their priorities straight as to what is really affecting dogs? The effort and success at stopping animal abuse is less than the effort and energy put into this crop, dock and dew claw stuff. The consequences abusers face are far too lenient. Where is everyone? The efficiency of stopping abuse is pathetic. To mention crop/dock/dew claws in the same breath as mistreatment of animals is ludicrous!!!
This is a good post.
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Old 04-08-2009, 03:56 AM
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To ban the removal of dew claw is totally outrageous!
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Old 04-08-2009, 09:36 AM
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My vet WILL NOT crop, but will dock. not because some vet association tells him to, but because he ADMITS he is not good at cropping and isnt good at shaping the ear, ect.. he does offer owners that would like to crop a list of vets in the area that ARE very good at it (plus sample pictures of dogs that have been cropped there)
I love my vet, not because hes perfect but because hes honest.

As for this issue, i dont agree with it. Its the owners choice wether to crop, dock or not. and responsible owners should be given the choice

Ive never seen a dog in pain from an ears crop or dock. Other than the few that have come into the shelter where the owners have NOT taken care of the ears and thus they are taped, infected, swollen and very painful
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that aren't tech. necessary....lump removals...and such...same difference.


THAT IS WHAT WAS SAID.....AREN'T TECH NECESSARY...does that include cancer....that is up to the person deciding...if the lump being removed risks the life of the dog, that is a call the OWNER SHOULD MAKE...

What i am talking about is having SKIN TAGS or fatty deposits removed...cuz honestly in the long run, they aren't TECHNICALLY NECESSARY...they are for the most part COSMETIC...


WHY are we focusing on C/D and even dews when there are SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS...

and since when does c/d ONLY mean to LOOK like breed standard? Why isn't it so that a JRT with a tail doesn't injure itself, or a dog that does SAR doesn't tear its dew off or break its tail....it isn't JUST to look pretty...

SIGH...

Hoping i said it in anger....no....frustration yes, but mostly i am tired of people vilifying those of us that CHOOSE to do these procedures but those that choose to have fatty tumors, or skin tags removed, or have their pet s/n are just "doing what is right".
Who draws that line? And where can we erase and redraw...

This will only lead to more CL posting like was posted last week or so, people offering HOME CROP JOBS...yeah that solves the problem...

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Actually, I do think that anyone doing ANYTHING surgical to their animal that is PURELY for cosmetic reasons should think long and hard about what they are going to put their dog through--that is just good pet ownership, IMHO.

Although I think that the same can be said for altering (the think long and hard part) I do not believe, no matter how many hardcore pro-cropping/docking people scream it from the roof tops, that the two types of surgeries can be compared for a number of reasons.

I don't think that there should be a law against crop and dock, and I don't think that people who crop/dock should be vilified, but I also don't think that it is the AVMA's job to be bowing to the whims and interests of the AKC and breed clubs.
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To mention crop/dock/dew claws in the same breath as mistreatment of animals is ludicrous!!!
It wasn't.

The revised AVMA policy states: "The AVMA opposes ear cropping and tail docking of dogs when done solely for cosmetic purposes. The AVMA encourages the elimination of ear cropping and tail docking from breed standards."
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Old 04-08-2009, 09:57 PM
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I also don't think that it is the AVMA's job to be bowing to the whims and interests of the AKC and breed clubs.
So is it OK for them to bow to the whims and interests of the AR agenda?
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