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Old 04-08-2009, 11:54 AM
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a canine midwife I presume. They are out there.
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Old 04-08-2009, 11:57 AM
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Really.. hmm where do you find them? Sounds interesting. I wonder how much they cost?
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Old 04-08-2009, 12:09 PM
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a pet nurse is a woman in the area here who is a registered nurse who grew up on a farm and has a lot of animal experience.
she has assisted in a lot of different breeds with whelping and some medical issues with animals and she takes care of them as well when your not able too.

she is just someone who will have more experience then both of us who can be there for support and has a medical back round.

dekka we are both from ontario so i found her online and when i spoke to her she explained the experience she has and i guess it is like a midwife for dogs.

also her prices are flexible depending on what you require

her ad advertised as "pet nurse" and she provides a lot of different services with animals since she grew up on a farm she has had a lot of hands on experience with animals ........but i hear what your saying about toy breeds but something is better then nothing she has more experience then we both do.
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Old 04-08-2009, 12:11 PM
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oh so its just a human nurse. I have lots of friends who are human nurses with lots of animal experience. But unless this person has lots of experience toy dog whelping experience they are not going to be all that helpful. Heck I breed JRTs (which are fairly small) and I would say I wouldn't be able to be of much actual help.
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Old 04-08-2009, 01:28 PM
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I always was present with any whelps my males sired .... I could imagine it with Chi's though . Clearing phlegm from 1# golden pup would be much easier than a tiny Chi !
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Old 04-08-2009, 02:28 PM
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Has she contacted a local chi breeder or at least toy breeder? I think that would be the best thing to do other than abort, of course.
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Old 04-08-2009, 02:33 PM
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honestly tjedt...
a pet nurse is going to be NO HELP what so ever.

i AM experienced, i grew up with chis, my grandfather has bred and raised many, i was present for 90% of whelps from the age of 7, my grandmother was a veterinary assistant and highly exerienced whelping before even ever meeting my granfather...
and both grew up on farms

but...
during a chihuahua whelp...
humans are TOO BIG to help, even the tiniest of droppers are too big for all but the normal/biggest of chi pups...
if a pup breeches/gets stuck there is absolutly NO way to manipulate that puppy as you can with some of the larger animals...
and with a dog this small, particularly one under 4 lbs...by the time the dog is showing sighns of stress its usually too late.

please encorage her NOT to pay some human nurse with FARM experience (something that will offer absolutly NO help in this situation) instead spend that money on that c-section.

HONESTLY it is this poor tiny dogs ONLY viable chance at surviving this...
this is a human error and hoping "god" will watch over this dog is going to do NOTHING...

many a god fearing person who KNOW what they are doing have lost females and pups during birth...
in this case, this dogs blood IS on your freinds hands, as is the blood of each and every puppy.

there was absolutly NO reason for that male to still be intact...she was waiting on spaying the female due to apointment dates...why wasnt the male neutered when he turned the right age?
this is 100% her FAULT
and the fact she is now KNOWINGLY continuing forth, HOPING god will protect this dog and her puppies...and from the sounds of it, doesnt even want to spend the money to pre-book the c-section...
That is no better than knowing a murder is about to happen and doing NOTHING about it.
if she cared about this dog...

in terms of what to look for
as ive said, if something goes wrong she will have LITERALLY minutes to get this dog to an emergency clinic, having someone who isnt epereinced in whelping a dog this small is NOT going to help unless they have a rocket powerd car or a transporter beam...

in a dog that small ANY sign of stressing uncomfortable beyond be is an emergency...
strain goes straight to the heart, and being this is a young chi and so small its hihgly likely that her heart is already not up to full par (murmers are highly common particularly in tiny chis) so any amount of stress on this dog could cause her to have a heart attack. pushing with no production of a puppy will kill her, and she will exhaust quickly.

PLEASE...
in this situation its not a case of "oh it would be a good idea to pre-book the c-section"
its a case of "she MUST pre-book a c-section if she cares even a little about this dog"

this dog will not likley survive even an attempt at a natural birth...
the fact that shes a BABY and pregnant is bad enough but to simply hope god will protect her is like sitting back and going "ehh, whatever!"

i understand your doing your best here, this isnt your desicion ect...
but quite honestly...in my years...
i HAVE ended freindships over situations like this...
if your friend wont listen over sincere concern for this tiny little dog she Claims she loves...then shes NOT a good friend...

personally at this point, youve offered her advice shes obviously unwilling to accept it, i would simply say goodbye and walk away...

a real freind takes advice, acepts, listens and takes to heart...
seems however in this case your frined doesnt care enough.


unfortunatly ive SEEN this before...

a girl with a very small chi (her girl was just over 3lbs at 2yrs old) "accidentally" mated with her 6 yr old 4lb intact male...she wouldnt abort because "it was against god" and ignored even her vets advice...
the female started delivery, after 15 mins she was in obvious distress...she got her to the emergency vet who did an imediate c-section, (breeched puppy that even they couldnt turn without a section)
unfortunatly the stress of that 15 mins on the mothers heart killed her (she had a very mild undiagnosed murmur), and over the next 3 hours they lost all but 1 of the 3 puppies...

this girl was extreemly upset, couldnt accept that god had let her "baby" die and threw a fit at the vets saying they killed her purposly...
the surviving puppy died about 3 days later
she tried to claim money from the vet for the cost of the c-section PLUS the value of the mother and all 3 puppies claiming they were "very expensive teacup chihuahuas"

turned out that while the breeding was accidental, and while she didnt want to abort because she is religious...about a week of looking online after the mating had showed her that "teacup chihuahuas" are selling for big bucks and she figured that it would all be ok and if the dog needed a c-section shed at least make it all back on puppy sales!
instead she not only lost her girl and all the puppies but was out $3000 in emergency c-section fees, plus another $1000 for the emergency care for the puppies, $100 for the cremation for her dog and the puppies and the cost of the supplies she did buy...
and the judge laughed her case out...

and grammy...

the puppies from that litter, 3 pups, full term from a pairing about 1lb per dog larger than the op describes were born about the size of an adult mouse! they are weighed in points of an ounce! and all 3 pups fit in the palm of a female vet tech hand.

vixieis puppies were only about 6 inches long at birth and vixie is a little over 5lbs!

the pups form this breeding, if there lucky enough to make it to birth will be about the size of a mouse!
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Old 04-08-2009, 03:39 PM
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What an informative thread (sorry not trying to hijack) I've never owned a small dog of any sort and probably never will, but I didn't know that other than c-sections being the "norm" that there was so much entailed in it. Nice to know.

I hope the OP's friend decides to do what's right. I'm Catholic, I do NOT believe in abortion, however, if it's going to kill the mother and there's not a chance of sucess for these potential puppies to suvive, I'd go ahead with an e-spay. Besides, if she was in the vets office going for the spay when it happened, they weren't even viable of any sort, still just sperm and hadn't even reached the egg. I don't consider that abortion at all, until the cells begin to split there's no evidence of life there. How sad.
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Old 04-08-2009, 04:10 PM
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Thanks for the size info . I've turned pups , given mouth to mouth and have done the head " swing " to clear . I'd be scared to death to do it on a pup that tiny . Would definately be at a vets or have a C-section !
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Old 04-08-2009, 04:35 PM
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thanks foxywench all i can say is wow!!!

i don't think she is against booking a c-section at all today i told her in about 2-3 weeks she needs to get her to a vet and see if she is pregnant and get a sonogram and see how many there is and how big they are and to pre book a c-section cause it will cost her half the price of a emergency c-section.

so now all i can do is keep saying that over and over i also told her the vet needs to inform her on a special diet i know they need calcium and good food but other then that i don't know if she should be doing anything else for her diet wise until she gets her to the vet.

so if in a few weeks she doesn't listen to me i don't know what else to do.

i know she also was waiting to get the appointment for the dog to be spayed not sure if it was for both but the clinics here have long waiting lists.

she also didn't know what to look for in a female when they are in heat i had to tell her that they swell up down there all she noticed was she was moody.

so now why don't we all cross our fingers and hope the tie was not successful and all this was for nothing but i will keep checking back you never know when some good advice will pop up and i will keep everyone posted on how everything is going.

so for the dogs sake lets pray for NO PUPPIES!!!!

and btw i totally agree this is all her fault any dog owner should educate them self on every aspect of the animal not just what they eat she should have been more informed and not just read what she wanted to hear.
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