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Old 02-15-2009, 12:05 PM
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BEHAVIOUR/TEMPERAMENT : Courage, determination and outstanding braveness are part of its characteristics. With its owners and family it is docile, obedient and extremely tolerant with children. Its loyalty is proverbial, insistingly seeking the company of its master.

One of its characteristics is its aloofness towards strangers. It displays a calm disposition, distinctive self-assurance and self-confidence, remaining unperturbed by strange noises or circumstances. An unsurpassed guardian of properties, it also instinctively indulges in big game hunting and cattle herding.
^^ is from the FCI site
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Old 02-15-2009, 12:06 PM
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We don't have to imagine it. We can see it -- right here

Renee - doesn't it scare you that it creates this much of a debate on a dog forum with people who actually get dogs for the RIGHT reasons?

Doesn't it worry you what this CAFIB standard will produce from the majority of bad breeders?

Or do you just think the odd good breeder is enough ?

I'd like to see your opinions rather than just the odd remark. You could add a lot to this thread.
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Fila Brasileiro Breed Standards

^^ are the two different standards
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Here is the breed standard from arba:

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FILA BRASILEIRO

General Conformation
Typically molossoid breed Powerful bones. Rectangular structure. compact but harmonic and proportional. Added to his massiveness a great agility is easy to be seen. Bitches must show a well defined femininity which differs them immediately from males.

Character & Temperament
Courage, determination and outstanding braveness are part of his characteristics. He is docile to his owners and family and extremely tolerant with children. His faithfulness became a Brazilian proverb. He is always looking for the company of his master. One of his characteristics is hi s distrust (orig. ojeriza) of strangers. He shows a calm disposition, self assurance and self confidence not being disturbed by strange noises or when facing a new environment. An unsurpassed guardian of the property he is as well dedicated by instinct to hunt big game and to cattle herding.


Movement
The Fila should have a long reach and elastic gait. His smooth stride reminds you of the great cats movements. His main characteristic is the PACE * a two beat lateral gait in which the legs of each side move back and forth exactly as a pair causing a robing or rocking motion of the dog's body (called the camel s pace) accentuated all along the top line to the tail. During the walk he carries the head lower than the back region. He shows a smooth. free and effortless trot with a powerful stride. He shows a smooth, free and effortless trot with powerful stride. His gallop is powerful with unsuspecting speed coming from such a large and heavy dog. Due to his loose articulations. typical of molossoids, the Fila's movements give the impression, and in fact it is so, of being capable of instant and very rapid changes of Section.

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Test of Temperament
It is compulsory to all individuals (after 12 months) in order to obtain a registered championship title. All champions must have a certificate of approval at the temperament test. This sort of test is made at all specialty shows. It Is optional at general shows, up the Judge's will, provided it is public and takes place outside the show ring.

The trail includes:

1. Attack with a stick. The dog is supposed to attack in front of the handler, without being coached, and the exhibitor or handler will remain in his position. It is forbidden to touch or to beat the animal.

2. Shooting test. There will be fired blanks at a distance of 5 meters from the dog, the dog should express attention, show self*confidence and self assurance.

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During a performance in the ring the judge will analyze the behavior and temperament of the specimen, paying attention to his expression. During the temperament test the following should be observed
1.

the dislike of the animal to strangers
2.

the self*assurance, courage, determination and braveness of each individual.

Faults General
Cryptorchids, or monorchid, use of artificial ways to produce certain effects, albinism, lack of type, etc.

Disqualification's
1. Aggressiveness to his owner.

2. Cowardice.
3. Pink nose.
4. Overshot teeth.
5. Undershot teeth showing the teeth when the mouth is shut.
6. Lack of l (one) canine or l (one) molar. Except the 3rd. one.
7. Blue eyes (porcelain like).
8. Cropped ears or docked tail.
9. A croup lower than the withers.
10. All white dogs, mouse-gray, patches dogs or dapple coat (merle)
11. Under minimum height (65 cms for males 60 cms for bitches)
12. Lack of loose skin.
13. Lack of typical pace.
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Old 02-15-2009, 12:11 PM
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Oh and in comes jess.. the google queen... lol thanks for finding the standards.
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Oi - google queen - I already posted the comparison the previous page
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Okay, but in my understanding the CAFIB considers the FCI standard the 'watered down' version, correct?
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(FCI/CBKC Breed Standard)

34. Faults:

Any departure from the foregoing points should be considered a fault and the seriousness with which the fault should be regarded should be in exact proportion to its degree.


1. Cropped ears - eliminating fault
2. Docked Tails - eliminating fault
3. Flesh-colored nose - eliminating fault
4. Undershot bite with teeth visible when the mouth is closed or Undershot bite with teeth visible when the mouth is closed- eliminating fault
5. Lack of 1 canine or 1 molar except the 3rd one - eliminating fault
6. White markings exceeding 1/4th (one fourth) of the body - very serious fault
7. All dogs which are white, mouse-grey, carrying small or large marks; black and tan, blue - eliminating fault
8. Black is permitted - not a fault
9. Slate black seems to be permitted
10. Jet or slate black with white spots seems to be permitted
11. Mouse grey - eliminating fault
12. Blue - eliminating fault
13. Grey with black spots - eliminating fault
14. No comment on mouth gap as a fault
15. Aggressive or overly shy - eliminating fault
16. Although nothing is said about reaction to gunshots it does say apathy and timidity are a very serious fault.
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2. Temperament

Courage, determination and outstanding braveness are part of its characteristics. With its owners and family it is docile, obedient and extremely tolerant with children. Its loyalty is proverbial, insistingly seeking the company of its master.

One of its characteristics is its aloofness towards strangers. It displays a calm disposition, distinctive self-assurance and self-confidence, remaining unperturbed by strange noises or circumstances. An unsurpassed guardian of properties, it also instinctively indulges in big game hunting and cattle herding.


2. Temperament

It is a courageous, determined and daring dog. It does not hide its aversion to strangers, or its traditional tenderness to its owners and family. Consequently, it is an unsurpassed watch dog in the cities, and an excellent herding dog and a hunter of big animals on farms. As a result of its temperament, at dog shows it does not allow the judge(a stranger) to touch it. And if it attacks the judge, such a reaction must not be considered a fault, but only a confirmation of its temperament. At temperament tests, obligatory for dogs over one year old at shows, the Fila attack must be in an ascending diagonal, in front of handler and without showing dependence from him.
The 2 standards side by side.

What do you think of the "attack" part?

Good/bad?

Is that fila temperament? Would you encourage that?

I would like to know - I am coming at this from a country where they are banned - we don't get to see them, I'll never meet one so I need people who have to tell me.
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Oi - google queen - I already posted the comparison the previous page
no you didnt you posted one part of it

I was just posting the website that showed both of them, side by side
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