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Old 02-16-2009, 02:53 PM
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What??

What I am saying is that it is down to individual interpretation? No? You read attack and your brain says "bad translation".

You read it that way - but I didn't, and neither did that blogger or the no doubt loopy breeders who will read it.

How is reading something that says things about attacking judges as what it says BSL? Did I say that is how filas are? Erm, no.

I am saying it will CREATE bsl if people interprete it the way I think they will... Bad translation or not - it says ATTACK.

Now, who is going to send leaflets to all the gangsta bois and the BYB breeders which says this doesn't mean your fila should be a walking bite machine?
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Old 02-16-2009, 04:59 PM
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No. I don't "read attack and brain says bad translation," I happen to have had the opportunity to interact at length with some of the people who have done extensive work doing accurate translations, both from the Portuguese and the German, and also have years of personal, hands-on experience and have spent a great deal of time in Minas Gerais, the home of the Fila, and have obtained good dogs directly from fazendas where they have been raised for centuries.

You know, people who actually know of what they speak?
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Old 02-16-2009, 05:16 PM
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I think I sort of get where Dizzy is coming from... maybe.

Here in Ontario, "pit bull" type breeds are banned. This has left a lot of the wrong types of people looking for other intimidating breeds. I've seen more Cane Corsos, Presas, etc. than I care to count, in the wrong hands. More irresponsible people are looking for breeds like this to breed, to "get around" the pit bull ban. Dogs that in the wrong hands, bred by the wrong people, can be serious problems.

I can see the potential problem that lies in having a standard that reads as the Fila does. You Renee have had the experience of talking to those who know, to better understand what the standard really means, many won't care enough to take that opportunity. (Heck, I had a woman in the store once that was having a breeding pair of Coton de Tulear shipped to her from some puppy mill in the states. She couldn't even pronounce the name properly, but she could "make a ton of money" breeding them).

I would hope that those of you who are passionate about the breed would also be passionate about preventing the damage that this can cause to the Fila as a breed, by better educating the general public about what they are and what types of homes best suit them.

Or am I way off base?
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Old 02-16-2009, 05:31 PM
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We are EXTREMELY passionate about educating . . . and even more about NOT putting our dogs into the wrong hands.

There will always be people like Shoo-Its, who are in it for the money and ego, and we fight them in every way we can. One thing on our side is the fact that they do get off on the idea of having an "exclusive" and rare breed, so they are snottier about selling to some wanna be gansta than the ghetto-dog people. They don't want to place their dogs with people who live in town, generally, which has so far kept us from having the same kind of troubles the APBT has.
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Old 02-16-2009, 05:47 PM
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Vanilla, I can sort of see the "issue" as well, but it seems like Dizzy is saying that Filas are a menace to society and shouldn't exist, much less have people be allowed to own them. And then she basically told me that I was the only person alive to view the standard in such a way thus anything I had to say on the matter was discounted because obviously everyone else in the world thought otherwise....like her.

And yet you stated that with the "pit bull" bans, people move on to other breeds and herein lies the problem: exterminating a breed just because some feel that the dogs could be dangerous in the wrong hands doesn't solve anything. All it does is try to hide the elephant in the room behind a window curtain.

To be honest, I know a few people that actually do own HA dogs. Their dogs would bite me if given the chance. However, they never allow the dogs to have that chance and they are super-vigilant owners with those dogs.

Also, any dog in the wrong hands is a liability. Hell, any dog is a liability. And to think that one's own dog would never ever bite, then those must be the rosiest glasses of all time. Even my people loving APBTs will bite if the circumstances are just right.
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Old 02-16-2009, 05:51 PM
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Mia, I couldn't agree with you more. BSL is garbage and only masking the true problem.

I didn't gather what you did from Dizzy's posts, but I've been lost a few times in this thread lol
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Old 02-16-2009, 05:53 PM
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LOL. So I guess everything is just "lost in translation"..........

That's the problem with typed words. Everyone can walk away from something with a completely different view/meaning of it.

In the end, no harm, no foul. Nothing is personal. And even when I don't agree, I always walk away with more knowledge.
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I think people are taking this as an attack against filas and that is WAAAAAY off.

I am talking about a standard that says the word "attack" in it and says this is A OK.

Vanilla, I think you understand what I am saying.

I am not saying filas are bad... I am not saying filas will kill people...

I am saying I WORRY about their future when the new standard includes that word.. because I think it is open to individual interpretation. And when it comes to dogs you only have to LOOK at some breeds to see what that can do... so imagine what that may do to the filas temperament in the wrong hands... And I believe that bad breeders outweigh good ones. And if they don't YET they will eventually.

Why is that such a bad thing for me to say?

And Renee - you are the exception to the rule.

I'd say 99.9% of people on this board are when it comes to dogs. I do not believe that average joe bloggs dog owner will have done the research you have. That also scares me.....

I hope the CAFIB are taking the responsibility to ensure the future of filas.. because if people THINK (wrongly?) that it is ok for them to attack when touched by a stranger, you're gonna end up with a lot of bad press
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Old 02-16-2009, 05:55 PM
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Vanilla, I can sort of see the "issue" as well, but it seems like Dizzy is saying that Filas are a menace to society and shouldn't exist, much less have people be allowed to own them. And then she basically told me that I was the only person alive to view the standard in such a way thus anything I had to say on the matter was discounted because obviously everyone else in the world thought otherwise....like her.

Oh my god... it isn't often I actually read stuff on here and sick up a little bit, but jesus H christ that is SO way off the mark I actually borked.

I actually don't believe you read a single one of my posts.

You took your already formed opinion of me and spewed it into auto-defence?

Sorry.. but that is laughable. I said no such thing, and actually stated the complete OPPOSITE on more than one occasion.




Right, I have got over the initial shock, but I am still utterly amazed how you came to that conclusion.....

Please re-read what I wrote.
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Old 02-16-2009, 06:08 PM
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I don't think Dizzy is attacking (hah! ) or having any negative views whatsoever regarding the Fila. I understand her posts much like Nilla does. Not everyone is going to read the breed standard for a Fila and see it the way some of us do, while most will read it and say, "yeah! I want a dog like that!" to better fit their image. I get what she is saying. I get it.

But, I don't think there is anymore that can be said, really, from those that have Filas correct in temperament. We wait until the next issue comes up, battle that one and trudge on. There are always going to be ignorant people much like retriever dude who said he was ready for all comments and yet deleted mine because I went against his grain of thought. I mean, what else can we do. The standard says one thing and people are going to perceive that in whatever way they will. We just have to hope that threads like this educate and responsible breeders do not put a fila in the hands of someone wishing to do harm.
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