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Old 01-26-2009, 11:29 AM
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I see more coyote than wolf actually. Next to that Beagle and Golden, he looks quite small. Actual wolves are I believe quite sizeable animals with long legs....built a lot like Cleo but shorter in body. The curl to the tail also makes me think of a dog rather than a wolf. It's paws also look so dainty and tiny...like a coyotes...not a wolf's.

I would imagine it is a coydog. It's face look like an Alaskan friends dog...and she's coyote and Elkhound I think.
Depends on where they are from. Even the same spieces of wolf can vary between 60-125 depending on their 'family' And if you add a little dog in there...

He certainly doesn't look ANYTHING like the coyotes I see (we have loads of those around here.. I have seen them running up the centre of the road in broad daylight) But maybe down there you have wolfy coyotes. around here they are all leg.



That 'dog' in the park is much to 'built' to look like a coyote.

As I said.. it would be neat to get a DNA sample......
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Old 01-26-2009, 11:33 AM
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Well how an animal ends up depends on two parents. If the other were stockier or had less leg...there ya go.

I don't think the dog is PURE anything LOL. But a mix of likely several northern breeds or even crosses of those with a wild canid of some sort...

Okla. Coyotes in full coat look very like that dog above...sure lighter in bone...but a wolf is at least as leggy as a yote for it's size...so probably a GSD or Husky took that down a notch or two.

But by anyone estimation it is a mixed breed dog...probably with some wild canid someplace...but if the other breeds are "northern" type the wild canid need not even be that high in percentage or close up.

eta: esp if that northern breed looks like this to start with.

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Old 01-26-2009, 11:35 AM
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See many wolves I see.. aren't all that leggy.. Leggier than northern breeds generally (or at least the KC version of them) But the coyotes around here look like they are on stilts.

Hmm wonder if the owner was wanting to do a DNA test ... I might be able to hook them up with people who have huge databases of wolf and coyote DNA...
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He left before I could ask any more questions. If I see him again, it seems like he goes a lot, I will ask if he has ever thought about it.
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Old 01-26-2009, 11:41 AM
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Being from AZ though, I really don't think he's a coyote mix. We had a few coyote mixes come into rescue from the res and they looked nothing like this dog, and nothing like wolves. AZ coyotes are very leggy, scrawny, have very short fur and huge ears. They look almost like long legged fennec foxes. Plus they were tiny, the pure coyotes and mixes were rarely over 40 lbs. I wish we had pictures of them still, but most of them looked like these coyotes except they were solid fawn colored with black masks (pics taken in Pima county where the coyote mixes were found):





And as for wolf hybrids being aggressive with dogs, my mom's old neighbors had a pair of 50/50 akita wolf hybrids (sisters). These were definitely not mal mixes, they behaved like wolves. Anyway, they were pretty indifferent to strange humans. One sister, who was blind, was reactive to everything and pretty guardy, the guardiness probably coming from the akita. The other sister *loved* other dogs. She and Strider used to race each other up and down the fence play bowing the whole time. They also lived with several boston/jack russel mixes and tolerated those just fine (most of the time, sometimes the terriers got on their nerves, lol).
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LOL to me...the dogs legs look a whole lot more like the coyotes than the wolves...right down to those dainty feet!
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I found a dog on petfinder that looks just like the one you posted...

http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/dis...?petid=8936685

If this one wasn't located in Cali, I'd be tempted to snatch him up! lol
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Old 01-26-2009, 11:47 AM
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LOL to me...the dogs legs look a whole lot more like the coyotes than the wolves...right down to those dainty feet!
lol, it's all kind of silly anyway, I have an article that talks about how DNA testing has shown that red wolves are the ancestors of grey wolves and coyotes, and if you really want to be picky about it the researchers felt it would be more accurate to classify them all as the same species. Come to think of it, I still need to type it up and pm it to a few people here who asked for it.

It might be a few days since we are in the middle of moving, but does anybody else want me to send them a copy?
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Old 01-26-2009, 11:52 AM
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Some classify dogs a simply canis lupus I understand...it's all jumbled up because none of them ever want to agree that anyone else could be right LOL.
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LOL

There are places east of me where there has been a lot of mixing of coyote and wolf in the wild.

Then there is the dilemma.. at what point do you say 'this dna is wolf dna' animals are constantly evolving and changing.

But historically there is significant genetic difference between new world wolves and old world wolves (seen the printouts my self lol)
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