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Old 08-11-2005, 01:26 PM
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Well, if your dogs were offered what my dogs are offered to eat I guarantee that they would gorge themselves and bust!


I've no doubt they may 'pig out' a bit, but they wouldn't 'bust'.
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Old 08-11-2005, 01:27 PM
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Unless it is specialy designed for large breed pups. Regular puppy food is to high in levels of calcium and phosphorus (I believe that is the two that cause the issue), making the dog grow a lot faster than it should which can lead to joint issues. A chow would be in that range of medium-large breed so I wouldn't feed a regular puppy food. I perfer to stick to an all life stages kind of food like Canidae or Innova that way I don't have to get three different foods for three different ages/types of dogs!
A Chow barely fits into the medium breed status. They are Whippet sized under all the hair.

I would like to know the source of the above "information" on feeding puppy foods? Joint issues come from a puppy being fat. And I see nothing in that statement addressing the difference in puppy and adult metabolic rates.

You CAN feed adult food if you supplement it with powdered milk and maybe some Nutracal (if you can afford that stuff.) Now mind you, I can only base what I have observed in the process of raising hundreds of puppies over the years. I think it is what some people call RESEARCH??? Even if one does not realize it, the results of practices done over a great period of time are actually scientific research.

Of course, I realize that hands on experience cannot hold a candle to all the REPORTS presented around here. And that most of the people writing those reports don't know diddley about feeding puppies based on their own experiences, lol. But hey......let us not quibble....or should I say KIBBLE!!!????? (That was a pretty good pun, if I do say so myself, roflolololol.)
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Old 08-11-2005, 01:31 PM
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Well, if your dogs were offered what my dogs are offered to eat I guarantee that they would gorge themselves and bust!
That would indicate that what they are being offered it NOT satisfying their nutrional needs.

And remember, kids offered cake and ice cream will gorge too. Until they get a dish of brocolli!!!!!
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Old 08-11-2005, 01:35 PM
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That would indicate that what they are being offered it NOT satisfying their nutrional needs.

And remember, kids offered cake and ice cream will gorge too. Until they get a dish of brocolli!!!!!
Uh huh... my dogs are fed a wide variety of fresh meats and either Canidae or Innova dog food, they get everything they need and more which is evident by their high energy levels, shiny coats and eyes, and their pearly white teeth.

In the wild a dog wouldn't come upon a meal every day so they would gorge themselves and then fast if they didn't come to anything else the next day. Since my dogs are offered food everyday if I let them eat like they would (thinking they may not get another meal that good) they would not maintain a healthy weight because my dogs don't fast themselves and I perfer to feed meals twice a day of the appropriate size rather than have to gorge them one day.
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Old 08-11-2005, 01:35 PM
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Keep in mind, a pup will only grow as large as they are genetically predisposed to grow. No matter how much you feed she will not get any bigger (maybe fatter) than she is genetically coded to do. Even a dog not getting proper nutrition will grow as large as they are genetically programmed to do. Of course, if the pup was starving to death then that would affect the growth.
I have seen many litters produce a runt of some of the pups do not get as big as the others. Don't compare with the other pups in the litter, just keep your pup healthy and happy and don't over due the feeding.
I gave my mom the runt puppy from my first litter of Dobes, because she had helped save his life, making Misty get up on the bed and let him nurse by himself.

His name evolved into "Skinny" (from being called "the skinny puppy")

Sooooooooo, Skinny ended up 31 inches tall at the shoulder, and weighing 110 pounds. What may look like a smaller puppy may just have been conceived 4 or 5 days later than the others. And when they grow up......LOOK OUT!!!!!!
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Old 08-11-2005, 01:41 PM
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Uh huh... my dogs are fed a wide variety of fresh meats and either Canidae or Innova dog food, they get everything they need and more which is evident by their high energy levels, shiny coats and eyes, and their pearly white teeth.

In the wild a dog wouldn't come upon a meal every day so they would gorge themselves and then fast if they didn't come to anything else the next day. Since my dogs are offered food everyday if I let them eat like they would (thinking they may not get another meal that good) they would not maintain a healthy weight because my dogs don't fast themselves and I perfer to feed meals twice a day of the appropriate size rather than have to gorge them one day.
So you are saying your dogs have the mentality of savages? I guess I am fortunate that my dogs are civilized and well mannered.....in fact they are so civilized that each dog will take a mouthful of food into the living room to eat, leaving room for anyone else who wishes to eat! Now, they do get a bit rowdy if I am handing out pieces of pizza crust, rofl.

Oh, and it is the job of the owner to fast the dogs. It has been scientifically proven that dogs fasted (starved) every 3rd day live 1/3 longer than those fed everyday. May not be real safe for the owners, depending on the breed of dog, rofl.
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Old 08-11-2005, 01:43 PM
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I sure as heck hope ya'll know that much of what I am posting here is tongue in cheek!!!!!!
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Old 08-11-2005, 01:45 PM
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So you are saying your dogs have the mentality of savages? I guess I am fortunate that my dogs are civilized and well mannered.....in fact they are so civilized that each dog will take a mouthful of food into the living room to eat, leaving room for anyone else who wishes to eat! Now, they do get a bit rowdy if I am handing out pieces of pizza crust, rofl.

Oh, and it is the job of the owner to fast the dogs. It has been scientifically proven that dogs fasted (starved) every 3rd day live 1/3 longer than those fed everyday. May not be real safe for the owners, depending on the breed of dog, rofl.
No offense but you know we don't agree about dog foods at all. If my dogs had food sprayed with rancid restaruant grease I am sure they wouldn't chow it all down right away either. They'd be to busy begging my food of me which they don't since they get something even better.

As for the fasting, at this point I choose not to since Gunnar isn't old enough to fast and I don't want to cheat my other babies out of a meal when he gets to eat (what can I say I spoil them) once Gunnar is old enough then they will fast.

Civilized they are, meal time is nice, Gunnar lies down to eat his food and the rest enjoy their food so much that they all rub their muzzles along the floor afterward. A sign of a meal enjoyed!
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Old 08-11-2005, 01:49 PM
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OH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD she asked about her dog not to hear all your opinions on how bad puppy food is or how good puppy food is. She asked if she was feeding her enough and that is all she needed to know. She didn't need to know that you all have so many tens of years of experience and so on and so forth. she doesn't want to hear your petty grievences. if you people can not act like normal functioning members of society when replying to someone's post then DON'T post. I don't know if anyone else noticed but she has not made a reply in here since the second page. CAn't anyone ask a question without it turning into a brawl. It's a wonder anyone posts on this board. "I'm smarter than you are" "my dad is bigger than your dad" this is what you guys sound like. Sorry but GROW UP and get back to the original posters questions.
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Julie, Hannah may always be the petite one of the family, just continue to keep her healthy and well fed (and you can probably check on the food manufacturer's website and get recommended amounts as well as the kilo caloric information Mordy referenced). And you know to adjust the amount of food she gets according to her activity level.

As far as free feeding goes, Bimmer would prefer it as that's how he likes to eat, a bit at a time. Kharma would acquiese to it as she knows better than to mess with Bimmer's bowl, but Shiva will literally eat until there isn't anything else in sight. And she's never been in a situation where she was deprived of anything - it's just her nature. Different dogs have different quirks.
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