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Old 08-09-2005, 03:36 PM
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This is what puppies do, they have accidents.. You just clean it up and go on.... It takes time to potty train as everyone has mentioned above, some dogs get it right away others take months. If the dog is using it's crate to potty in I would get the dog out of the crate. Our new puppy did the same thing and I finally took him out and put him in a puppy safe room (our bathroom) with a baby gate up. He has a potty pad in there (if he needs it), his bed, toys and water. This has worked fantastically. The other thing you can do is leash him to you so you know when he needs to go and you can get him outside. I believe someone else suggested that above.
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Old 08-09-2005, 03:38 PM
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she's already been to the vet and has a clean bill of health. There's no medical reason this pup should be so against relieving herself outside...lol. The vet told me to put her in the crate ALL the time except when she is taken outside to relieve herself and to put her right back in the kennel. I got weak and felt bad for her so I started to increase her times out of the kennel if she did good by using the bathroom outside. Obviously I've got this poor puppy all confused now with all the DIFFERENT methods of potty training we've tried over the past several weeks. She needs consistency and i guess I'm just trying to decide on which method is the best with the highest success. So, that is why i am here at this forum.. hoping I will get some good advice.
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Old 08-09-2005, 03:48 PM
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So how old is the puppy now? If the puppy is doing it's business outside then coming in and pooping again could you be feeding too much? Do you feed on a schedule? This makes a difference in the potty training aspect as well. Also, if you limit the area of the house the puppy is allowed in it also helps with less areas the puppy can potty in. We kept our first one baby gated in the back 3 rooms of the house that way we could keep in eye on her and know when she started sniffing around she needed to go outside. We feed twice a day that way they are only pottying 2 to 3 times a day. I know they go 1st thing in the a.m., right after breakfast and right after dinner. We also put the water dish up by 7:00 that way there is no need to potty during the night.
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Old 08-09-2005, 03:48 PM
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she's already been to the vet and has a clean bill of health. There's no medical reason this pup should be so against relieving herself outside...lol. The vet told me to put her in the crate ALL the time except when she is taken outside to relieve herself and to put her right back in the kennel. I got weak and felt bad for her so I started to increase her times out of the kennel if she did good by using the bathroom outside. Obviously I've got this poor puppy all confused now with all the DIFFERENT methods of potty training we've tried over the past several weeks. She needs consistency and i guess I'm just trying to decide on which method is the best with the highest success. So, that is why i am here at this forum.. hoping I will get some good advice.

Does she have a favourite place in the house? Maybe you could restrict her to that place so she can't move around much and then use that as a substitute for a crate?
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Old 08-09-2005, 03:49 PM
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When I put pottying 2 to 3 times a day I meant pooping... What goes in must come out... LOL
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Old 08-09-2005, 04:03 PM
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I'm used to feeding rotties... so maybe I am over feeding her. But I only give her one scoop of puppy chow in the morning and then around lunch time and again around dinner time because she's always hungry. She does have water just about everytime she goes outside because that is where my big dog eats and drinks is on the back porch. We used to feed her in the kitchen but she's such a slobby water drinker that she gets it all over the floor and you can't see it on the tiles until you hit it with your bare feet and go for a slide nearly killing yourself as you plummit to the floor.

She doesn't eat after that last feeding and will only get a few licks of water while passing by the water dish to go off the porch to do her business. She goes all night long without having accidents and even sleeps in the bed with my daughter now because none of us were getting any sleep with her crying ALL night long. You'd think she'd get tired of yipping and crying... but she can carry on for hours at a time. So, with great apprehension we allow her to sleep in the bed and all seems well.

She's a real small dog... I am amazed at how much she can poop and pee. She's probably only about 4 or 5 pounds and she's 11 weeks old today. I don't think she's gonna get very big. Oh you guys don't know how bad I want to do the right thing with her and get our lives back to normal with a happy, content and toilet trained puppy. I guess I got it easy with all my other dogs... none of them ever had this trouble. So, I guess I still have a lot to learn about training.
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Old 08-09-2005, 04:15 PM
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Some dogs just don't do well in crates. If you she is peeing and pooping in the crate and is now associating it with bad things I wouldn't use it.

Clean her messes with Nature's Miracle, Petastic or Urine Away which have enzymes that help get rid of all the odours (even the ones only she can smell)

When she is out of the puppyproofed room or crate tie her leash around your waist so you can always see her and take her outside right away. You'll learn her signals faster and she won't be as bored. It's a good way to bond
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Old 08-09-2005, 04:32 PM
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i have bonded so much with this puppy already.... i can't imagine our lives without her despite her obvious rebellion...lol. I find myself kissing her right on her little puppy mouth and she licks me all over my face. I think we may actually be holding her too much. Seems like she's always in my lap cuddling with me at the computer when she's not banished to her crate. We play all the time and she is never out of my site for more than a minute maybe two. I can try the leash thing... but she never leaves my side when she's out of her kennel. If i'm sitting in my chair at the desk.. .she's jumping on my leg crying for me to pick her up.

As far as the signs she has to go out... I must be missing them cuz I never notice any signs except when she first gets up from a nap it's pretty obvious she's itchy pants and needs to go out. She sniffs all over the carpet on a regular basis so it's hard to decifer if she's sniffing for a place to potty or if she's just sniffing for the heck of it. We usually just go ahead and take her out just in case and 9 out of 10 times she will pee... but I think it's just coincidence.

We have cleaned up all her accidents within minutes of them occuring but have just used oxy clean or those bleach wipes... maybe i need to go ahead and get those items you mentioned to neutralize the odor she can smell that maybe we can't smell. I guess I will just have to shampoo all the carpets and start over.

She has even peed all over our brand new couch on several occasions when she showed absolutely no signs of having to potty. So, needless to say... she is now banished from the couch. She is the most lovable puppy ever and I can't wait for the day she learns to potty only outside...lol.

I think I will take that divider out of her kennel, put her cushy little bed back in there with her toys and a tshirt with out scent on it. And try putting her in the kennel several times a day with the door open until she goes in there willingly and it's a safe haven for her. Maybe she has just decided to think of that kennel as a torture chamber and that's why she's acting out by messing all in it time and time again. So, if she's not forced to stay in it she may actually want to go in it after she decides it's not such a bad place after all.

Well, I guess I've taken up enough of everyone's time. I want to thank all of you for replying to my post and I truly appreciate the great advice you've been giving me. I am not throwing in the towel yet... now I gotta convice hubby she's worth working with.

Oh, and on that note... my nose tells me she just did a dookie load in her kennel. Time for yet another bath and kennel cleaning. But I love my puppy.... I just have to keep telling myself that...lol.
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Old 08-09-2005, 04:34 PM
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The one thing I have learned with Brutus my fila baby is you cannot be impatient with them when you are outside. He learned to go potty in two days, I would say potty and he would go. Never had a dog do this before. Problem was when he came in he would go again. So we made sure he pottied twice before he came in. We also took him out every 20 minutes, had a small bladder I guess for the first two weeks. He actually mastered the bark or whine to poopie within a week. He has finally learned to bark to go potty but we have to be quick or he will start to tinkle. I also took him out every time he would bark so he would get the idea that if i bark i go outside also.Hope this will help. The main thing is to stay calm. I know it can be frustrating we were all tired. He would have to go out about 2:30 everynight. And again about 5:00 am. We actually put him in bed with us so we would know when he started getting restless. Thank god he now makes it until 6:00 a.m. You might also want to clean up any spots with a stain and urine remover. Also Brutus is getting so big he would rather sleep in his bed. Thank goodness for that. He was a bed hog!
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Old 08-09-2005, 04:49 PM
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Maybe the problem is that she only drinks when outside. So she goes out to pee, but drinks again, and as soon as she's back in she wants to pee again. I would give her water inside, and take her out 20 minutes after she drinks.

But I wouldn't worry about confusing her with different training methods. As long as she gets praised when she goes outside, it's fine. I wouldn't worry much either about using the crate as punishment. When you send kids to their bedroom because they did something stupid, do they hate their bedroom? No. They're just annoyed they can't be with everyone. I really don't think it's different for dogs, I've used it to isolate my pups a lot and they still go in there to sleep.

I would definitely stop using the crate for potty training though. The whole point of it is that they don't pee in it, so if they do, it's pretty useless to use it for this reason, and it gives you more work because you have to clean the crate AND the dog. So yeah, make it as big as you can so that she doesn't lie in it at least.

But you seem to know what you are doing It's just going to have to take lots of patience.
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