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Old 08-09-2005, 02:30 PM
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My neighbor's jack russel terrier mix had puppies May 24th. She had 7 puppies in all. I had first pick of the litter because she is my friend and neighbor. I picked out what I thought would be a great puppy.

I got her at 5 weeks of age... seemed a little too early to be weaned if you asked me.. but that's water under the bridge. This puppy has been loved, cuddled, praised, and adored by myself, my husband and our 15 year old daughter. She has been a good puppy with the exception of her pooping and peeing everywhere in the house!!

At first I thought maybe her young age and inability to control her urge and hold her bladder and bowel movements was the problem. But another neighbor up the street also got a pup from this litter and she has not done anything different with training her puppy than I have with mine. Her puppy has the occasional accident in the house... but otherwise completely trained and will even ask to go out. Mine won't even attempt to give us a signal she has to go out and she is taken outside many many times through out the day.

We have tried various methods of potty training her with no success. I can't figure out why she will go to the bathroom just about every time you take her outside and you praise her and she comes in and I'll be damned if she doesn't squat in a corner or leave a turd on the floor.... and this is AFTER she's already gone outside. She knows she's wrong because when we catch her doing it and jump up to grab her she runs like hell to hide.

I have now resorted to doing what I know I'm not suppose to do. I am using her crate as a punishment because I am fed up with the messing several times a day all over my carpets. She has pooped and peed in her kennel from day one. I was told that if a puppy does that then they are a "bad" pup and will never learn to potty train.

Please tell me this isn't true.... I love this puppy. But I am to the point that if she doesn't learn to only relieve herself outside I will have no other option but to keep her locked up all the time or find her a new home. And I'm afraid someone else might not have had the patience I've displayed with her and she might end up beat or thrown outside. Please can anyone help me with this. I am open to any suggestions... maybe there's something I haven't tried yet. I know locking her in her kennel to punish her is probably the worst thing I can do... but I'm so frustrated with her.
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Old 08-09-2005, 02:40 PM
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First thing, how big is the crate that you use? It needs to be just big enough for her to turn around and lie down, otherwise they can pee in a corner and sleep in the other.

Puppies are very rarely potty trained at 2 months, it takes months for them to get it. The key is to praise them when they pee outside, and when they do inside in front of you, say a firm no and pick them up and take them outside again. They usually get it eventually.

But yes, it will take a while, and you will have more pees and poops in the house. Take her outside as much as you can, every 30 minutes or so, after playing, napping, eating. Even then, there will be accidents, sometimes pups are so busy playing they just forget and lose it, it takes a few months for them to be able to hold their bladder at all time.
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Old 08-09-2005, 02:42 PM
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I think she is just too young. 5 weeks is way too early. Even though your neighbor got one at the same time and is not having that problem, she probably just got lucky. I'm sure others will have great advice for you, but I think you are going to have to keep working with her, taking her out very frequently and wait until she gets a little older. I know its frustrating, but if you give her up, I think she'll have a really hard time getting another home.
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Old 08-09-2005, 02:43 PM
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Wow, you need a little more patience! And I mean that nicely. You already know that using the crate as punishment is the worse thing you can do. You are not going to have a puppy that is reliably housetrained until about 6 months give or take. Part of the problem may be because you got her so young. 8 weeks is the minimum.

Here's Mordy's post about crate training. I think it's the best one I've seen.

http://www.chazhound.com/forums/show...74&postcount=6
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Old 08-09-2005, 02:48 PM
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Puppies won't learn to control their bladder until between 3 and 6 months of age. My youngest pup is around 11 weeks old and he does ok with going outside although you can take him outside and he'll go and then bring him back in and when you go back to the kitchen five minutes later he'll have messed in the kitchen. You might want to try keep the puppy leashed to you at all times of the day that way you'll be able to tell her signs on when she has to go outside. Also don't leave food out for her to eat whenever she is hungry feed her three or four small meals a day (depending on how old she is now). Take her outside ten or fifteen minutes after eating and play with her until she goes potty. I usually take my 11 week old puppy out every fifteen minutes when he's not crated and he'll go. He's only had one accident a day for the past three days. Make sure you praise your puppy and treat you puppy whenever it goes outside. When your puppy goes inside ignore it and don't let it see you clean up it's mess. Don't feel bad though my oldest puppy is going to be a year at the end of this month and he STILL isn't housebroken.
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Old 08-09-2005, 03:05 PM
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We altered the crate so she only has enough room to turn around and lay down and she doesn't care... she'll just poop and pee and lay right in it. I have had dogs all my life and i know each puppy is different and require different time spans before they are trained... but you usually see some kind of progress with them.

We tried making the kennel a friendly and "safe" place for her to be. We had a nice cushy pillow and toys and we even would put a shirt that had our scent on it in the kennel with her. She never appeared to be scared or traumatized by the kennel.

I may not sound like I've been patient with her... but this has been going on for several weeks now with no change. And I wouldn't get so frustrated if I wasn't taking her out so often and doing all the things they tell you to do. I didn't want to take her until she was 8 weeks old but as fate would have it I had to take her at 5 weeks or she was gonna have to go to another home because the owner wanted them gone because the momma dog already had weaned them and was now biting them because they wouldn't leave her alone.

I thought about getting some of those puppy pads for in the house and do that indoor and outdoor training a lot of people are recommending. I've even thought of getting some puppy diapers but she's too small for them.

I truly love this puppy and don't wanna give up on her. I am willing to stick it out and do what I have to if I know it's gonna work. I am just having this fear that she will never potty train.
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Old 08-09-2005, 03:09 PM
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I'm sure she will get potty trained. You sound like a very devoted doggy mommy. She's young give her time. I'm sure with your patience she will get it.
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Old 08-09-2005, 03:19 PM
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Just take her from her crate to the outside every half hour and say "toilie" and wait for about 5 mins. If she goes, praise her and give her treats. If she doesn't, just take her back inside, put her in her crate, and wait another half an hour. Release her from her crate again and take her outside to poop and say "toilie" again and repeat.

Just be consistant, patient and use positive reinforcement. Don't use the crate as punishment. It's supposed to be a happy place for the Dog, not a bad place.
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Old 08-09-2005, 03:24 PM
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mikey... we did that. And whenever she would go outside and relieve herself we'd praise her and give her a treat. Then of course we'd have to give our adult dog a treat because she couldn't understand why the pup would get one and not her...lol. And if she did her business outside we gradually increased her play time outside the kennel. If she went outside and did nothing then she went right back into the kennel and was taken out again a little while later. This is why I am so frustrated with the whole thing because i am truly trying everything with her. And to my own shame I admitted I did resort to using the kennel as punishment recently. I knew it was wrong when I did it, but my frustration level exceeded a comfortable level at that time.
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Old 08-09-2005, 03:35 PM
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Yeah, I can see why that would be frustrating. Good thing in my house, only one room downstairs has carpet lol. Maybe the reason she poops inside despite her knowing it's wrong is because she has some sort of medical problem? Maybe you could take her to the vet? Maybe she does it for attention? There must be a reason for it. Try and find the cause and work on it.
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