Dog Site - Dog Stuff
Dog Forum | Dog Pictures

Go Back   Chazhound Dog Forum > Dog Discussions and Dog Talk Forums > Dog Food and Recipes


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-23-2008, 09:01 AM
Labyrinth's Avatar
Labyrinth Labyrinth is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 1,260
Default Effects of new food

I switched my dogs from Eukanuba over to Blue Buffalo almost a full month ago. I've heard that when you switch foods it's not unusual for the dog to have loose stools and gas. My question is, how long do these things typically last? Misty had solid stools on Eukanuba, but they are a bit looser now.. Abby had loose stools on Eukanuba and they don't seem to have improved much, and Abby has been having terrible gas. It doesn't seem to bother her, but she stinks up the room pretty quickly whereas she didn't have this problem on Eukanuba.

Is this still considered normal, or is it time to try a different brand?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-23-2008, 09:03 AM
vanillasugar's Avatar
vanillasugar vanillasugar is offline
just call me Nilly
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Peterborough, Ontario
Posts: 6,829
Default

How did you switch? Was it gradual or sudden?

Generally by a month these issues should have subsided... perhaps the formula you're using is not suited to them.
__________________




Julia: Mom to Sierra (adorable mutt - Basset x Cattledog is our best guess these days) Buddy (noisy but awesome DSH tabby cat) and Carter (adorable human baby) RIP Nya 1994(?) - 2010
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-23-2008, 09:10 AM
Maxy24's Avatar
Maxy24 Maxy24 is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 7,661
Default

May not be the right food for them, are there any major ingredients that changed from one to another (different primary meat source, addition of potatoes etc.)
__________________
~Erin~



Thank you ~Dixie's Mom~ for my awesome siggy!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-23-2008, 09:20 AM
ACooper's Avatar
ACooper ACooper is offline
<--------Orson
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: IN
Posts: 27,635
Default

Which eukanuba and which blue buffalo? It might help to know what you went from/to.

I never had much luck with blue buffalo, we tried it for a couple months a few years ago.......their fish one I think.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-23-2008, 09:21 AM
vanillasugar's Avatar
vanillasugar vanillasugar is offline
just call me Nilly
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Peterborough, Ontario
Posts: 6,829
Default

You could always try adding yogurt (or straight probiotics), or pumpkin for a week or so to see if that fixes things, but I'm leaning towards it not being the right formula for them.
__________________




Julia: Mom to Sierra (adorable mutt - Basset x Cattledog is our best guess these days) Buddy (noisy but awesome DSH tabby cat) and Carter (adorable human baby) RIP Nya 1994(?) - 2010
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-23-2008, 09:25 AM
Labyrinth's Avatar
Labyrinth Labyrinth is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 1,260
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by vanillasugar View Post
How did you switch? Was it gradual or sudden?

Generally by a month these issues should have subsided... perhaps the formula you're using is not suited to them.

It was not as gradual as it should have been, but they took to it very quickly.

I'm starting to think this formula isn't going to work for them. They do seem to have softer coats, but other than that haven't really noticed any positive difference in them from when they were on Eukanuba.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-23-2008, 09:54 AM
Labyrinth's Avatar
Labyrinth Labyrinth is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 1,260
Default

This is what Misty was on (Eukanuba large breed puppy):

Ingredients:
Chicken, Corn Meal, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Chicken By-Product Meal (natural source of Chondroitin Sulfate and Glucosamine), Brewers Rice, Natural Chicken Flavor, Dried Beet Pulp (sugar removed), Fish meal, Dried Egg Product, Fish Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Brewers Dried Yeast, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Potassium Chloride, Salt, Vitamins [Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Beta-Carotene, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of Vitamin B1), Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of Vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid], Calcium Carbonate, Choline Chloride, Minerals [Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate], DL-Methionine, Dried Chicken Cartilage (natural source of Chondroitin Sulfate and Glucosamine), Marigold, Rosemary Extract.

Guaranteed Analysis:

* Crude Protein (min) 26.0%
* Crude Fat (min) 14.0%
* Crude Fiber (max) 5.0%
* Moisture (max) 10.0%
* Calcium (min) 0.80%
* Phosphorus (min) 0.67%
* Vitamin E (min) 140 IU/kg
* Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA) (min) 0.1%*
* Omega-6 Fatty Acids (min) 2.4%*
* Omega-3 Fatty Acids (min) 0.3%*
* Glucosamine (min) 375 mg/kg*
* Chondroitin Sulfate (min) 35 mg/kg*

*Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profiles.

Calories: 361.96 kcal/cup

Caloric Distribution: Protein 25.37%; Fat 34.49%; Carbohydrate 40.14%

And this is what I switched her to (Blue Buffalo puppy formula. I don't think they had the large breed puppy formula when I got the food, so she just had standard puppy forumula):

Ingredients:
Deboned Chicken, Chicken Meal, Whole Ground Brown Rice, Whole Ground Barley, Potato Flour, Oatmeal, Tomato Pomace, Chicken Fat (preserved with Natural Mixed Tocopherols), Natural Flavor, Whole Sweet Potatoes, Whole Carrots, Ground Flaxseed, Alfalfa Meal, Herring Oil, Sea Salt, Dried Molasses, Malted Barley Flour, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Zinc), Iron Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Iron), Mixed Tocopherols, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Green Lipped Mussel, Sea Cucumber, Chondroitin Sulfate, Yucca Shidigera Extract, Garlic, Spirulina, Lecithin, L-Carnitine, Beta-Carotene, Dried Kelp,Parsley, Turmeric, Green Tea Extract, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Casei, Enterococcus Faecium, Bifidobacterium Thermophilum, Niacin, Copper Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Copper), Vitamin D Supplement, Vitamin A Supplement, Manganese Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Manganese), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Thiamin Hydrochloride, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Calcium Iodate, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Sodium Selenite, Folic Acid, Vitamin K Supplement, Biotin.

Guaranteed analysis:
Crude Protein 28.0% (min.), Crude Fat 12.0% (min.), Crude Fiber 4.0% (max.), Moisture 10.0% (max.), Calcium 1.2% (min.), Phosphorus 0.95% (min.), DHA* 0.1% (min.), Glucosamine* 300 mg/kg (max.), Condroitin* 100 mg/kg (min.), Carnitine* 100 mg/kg (min.).

* Not recognized as an essential nutrient by AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profiles.

Recommended Daily Feeding Guide (Cups per Day):

Mature Weight : 1-3 months : 3-5 months : 5-7 months : 7-12 months
3-20 lbs : 1/4 to 1 : 1/3 to 1-1/4 : 1/2 to 1-1/2 : 3/4 to 1-1/2
21-50 lbs : 1 to 2-1/2 : 1-1/2 to 3 : 2 to 3-1/2 : 3-1/3 to 4-1/2
51-100 lbs: 1-1/2 to 3 : 2-1/2 to 4 : 3-1/2 to 4-1/2 : 3-1/2 to 5
100+ lbs : 3-1/4 to 4 : 4 to 5-1/4 : 5 to 6 : 5 to 7-1/2

Calorie Content (ME):
Kcal/Kg = 3,590 (calculated)
Kcal/Cup = 505 (as fed)

**MORE**
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-23-2008, 09:55 AM
Labyrinth's Avatar
Labyrinth Labyrinth is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 1,260
Default

This is what Abby had been eating (Eukanuba active adult forumula):

Ingredients: Chicken, Chicken By-Product Meal (Natural source of Chondroitin Sulfate and Glucosamine), Corn Meal, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Brewers Rice, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Fish Meal, Natural Chicken Flavor, Dried Beet Pulp (sugar removed), Dried Egg Product, Brewers Dried Yeast, Fish Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Potassium Chloride, Salt, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Beta-Carotene, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of Vitamin B1), Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of Vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), Sodium Hexametaphosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Choline Chloride, DL-Methionine, Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate), Dried Chicken Cartilage (Natural source of Chondroitin Sulfate and Glucosamine), L-Carnitine, Rosemary Extract.

Guaranteed Analysis:

* Crude Protein (min) 28.00%
* Crude Fat (min) 18.00%
* Crude Fiber (max) 4.00%
* Moisture (max) 10.00%
* Vitamin E (min) 140 IU/kg
* L-Carnitine (min) 40 mg/kg*
* Omega-6 Fatty Acids (min) 2.50%*
* Omega-3 Fatty Acids (min) 0.43%*
* Glucosamine (min) 375 mg/kg*
* Chondroitin Sulfate (min) 35 mg/kg*

*Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profiles.

Calories: 410 kcal/cup

With a can of Pedigree daily:

Ingredients:

Country Stew: Sufficient Water For Processing, Poultry, Meat By-Products, Wheat Flour, Beef, Wheat Gluten, Peas, Salt, Carrots, Sodium Tripolyphosphate, Natural Flavors, Guar Gum, Vegetable Oil, Caramel Coloring, Minerals (Potassium Chloride, Zinc Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Potassium Iodide), Sodium Alginate, Bay Leaves, Xanthan Gum, Onion Powder, Vitamins (Vitamin E, A & D3 Supplements, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine Mononitrate {Vitamin B1}, Biotin), Garlic Powder, Yellow #6, Yellow #5.
*

Beef: Sufficient Water For Processing, Poultry, Meat By-Products, Wheat Flour, Beef, Wheat Gluten, Salt, Caramel Coloring, Sodium Tripolyphosphate, Natural Flavors, Guar Gum, Vegetable Oil, Minerals (Potassium Chloride, Zinc Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Potassium Iodide), Sodium Alginate, Natural Smoke Flavor, Xanthan Gum, Onion Powder, Bay Leaves, Vitamins (Vitamin E, A & D3 Supplements, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine Mononitrate {Vitamin B1}, Biotin), Garlic Powder, Sodium Nitrite (For Color Retention).

Guaranteed Analysis (of all varieties)

* Crude Protein (Min.) 8.0%
* Crude Fat (Min.) 3.0%
* Crude Fiber (Max.) 1.0%
* Moisture (Max.) 82.0%

And this is what I switched her to (Blue Buffalo adult formula):

Chicken & Brown Rice
Ingredients: Chicken, Chicken Meal, Whole Ground Brown Rice, Whole Ground Barley, Rye, Oatmeal, Chicken Fat (preserved with Natural Mixed Tocopherols, Citric Acid and Rosemary), Whole Carrots, Whole Sweet Potatoes, Ground Flax Seed, Alfalfa, Herring Oil, Sea Salt, Barley Grass, Sunflower Oil (preserved with Natural Mixed Tocopherols), Calcium Phosphate, Dried Kelp, Whole Garlic Cloves, Lecithin, Parsley, Glucosamine, Spirulina, Yucca Schidigera, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Bacillus Subtilis, Bifidobacterium Thermophilum, Bifidobacterium Longum, Enterococcus Faecium, Zinc Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Zinc), Choline Chloride, Iron Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Iron), Turmeric, Vitamin E Supplement, Manganese Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Manganese), Natural Color, Beta Carotene, Copper Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Copper), Potassium Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Potassium), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Ascorbate (source of Vitamin C), Niacin, Calcium Pentothenate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Hydrochloride, Potassium Iodide, Biotin, Cobalt Proteinate (source of Chelated Cobalt), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Menadione Dimethylpyrimidinol Bisulfite (source of Vitamin K activity), Sodium Selenite.

Guaranteed Analysis: Crude protein (min) 25.0%, crude fat (min) 14.0%, crude fiber (max) 4.0%, moisture (max) 10.0%, calcium (min) 1.0%, phosphorus (min) 0.9%, l-carnitine* (min) 100 mg/kg, omega 3 fatty acids* (min) 0.25%, omega 6 fatty acids* (min) 3.50%, beta carotene* (min) 5.0 mg/kg, glucosamine* (max) 400 mg/kg.

Calorie Content (ME):
Kcal/Kg = 3,682 (calculated)
Kcal/Cup = 462.8 (as fed)

With a can of BB chicken formula per day:

Homestyle Chicken Dinner
Ingredients: Chicken, Chicken Broth, Chicken Liver, Carrots, Peas, Sweet Potatoes, Whole Ground Brown
Rice, Whole Ground Barley, Oatmeal, Guar Gum, Salt, Flaxseed, Blueberries, Cranberries, Potassium
Chloride, Carrageenan, Cassia, Vitamins A, E, D3, B12 Supplements, Niacin (Vitamin B3), Calcium
Pantothenate (Vitamin B5), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Thiamine
Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Biotin, Zinc Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Zinc), Iron Amino Acid
Complex (source of Chelated Iron), Copper Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Copper),
Manganese Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Manganese), Sodium Selenite, Calcium Iodate,
Choline Chloride
Guaranteed Analysis: Crude Protein (min) 8.5%, Crude Fat (min) 4%, Crude Fiber (max) 1.3%, Moisture
(max) 78%
Calories: Kcal/12.5 oz Can = 455

I also switched Abby's bedtime snack from (snausages):

Ingredients:
Wheat Flour, Soy Flour, Beef, Corn Syrup, Water Sufficient For Processing, Propylene Glycol, Animal Fat (Bha and Citric Acid Used As A Preservative), Liver, Dried Cheese Product, Chicken By-product Meal, Calcium Sulfate, Potassium Chloride, Salt, Phosphoric Acid, Caramel Color, Natural Smoke Flavor, Soybean Oil, Garlic Powder, Sorbic Acid (Used As A Preservative), Potassium Sorbate (Used As A Preservative), Red 40, Yellow 6, Bha (Used As A Preservative), Yellow 5, Citric Acid (Used As A Preservative).

Guaranteed Analysis:

* Crude Protein (min) 15.0%
* Crude Fat (min) 7.0%
* Crude Fiber (max) 1.5%
* Moisture (max) 29.0%

To these BB snacks:

Bacon, Egg, and Cheese Ingredients:
Oatmeal, Ground Barley, Ground Whole Oats, Rye, Chicken Meal, Bacon, Dried Egg, Cheese, Flaxseed (natural source of Omega 3 Fatty Acids), Carrots, Oat Fiber, Vitamin C, Vitamin E Supplement, Salt, Calcium Carbonate.

Guaranteed Analysis:

* Crude Protein (min) 17.0%
* Crude Fat (min) 7.0%
* Crude Fiber (max) 5.0%
* Moisture (max) 11.0%
* Omega 3 Fatty Acids* (min) 0.4%

*Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profiles.

Calorie Content:
ME (kcal/kg) = 2,438 (calc.)
One Biscuit = 108 kcal ME (calc.)

Misty gets fed once in the morning and the second time in the evening, and Abby only eats in the evening (I've tried feeding her in the morning as well, she just doesn't want to eat twice). Then each of them gets one treat before bed.
__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:45 AM.


1997-2013 Chazhound Dog Site