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Old 11-14-2008, 03:21 PM
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Default Jean Donaldson training video?

http://www.petconnection.com/blog/20...d-you-want-to/

Oh dear.
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Old 11-14-2008, 03:25 PM
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well I would never think to teach THAT but Buffy sure seems to enjoy herself
I suppose if your dog was ever in a TV show/movie that would be a behavior he might need to know.
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Old 11-14-2008, 03:28 PM
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Maybe there are just some things which should not be put on cue...or in plain view.
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My thought exactly matches the title of the web page's accompanying article:
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"I get that you can train a dog to do this, but why would you want to?"
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Old 11-14-2008, 04:36 PM
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Uhh....I would like to hear Jean's side of it.
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Old 11-14-2008, 04:36 PM
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Ok, eww!

Kassie would LOVE for me to teach her this.....there's no way in heck! LOL
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Old 11-14-2008, 04:48 PM
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That was very odd to say the least. It didn't look like it was a behavior she was asking for, it was a "reward". Why on God's green earth would you allow a dog to hump your leg till they were finished as a reward?? and why would you put it on the internet?
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Old 11-14-2008, 06:00 PM
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Why on God's green earth would you allow a dog to hump your leg till they were finished as a reward??
Because it's rewarding. Remember, a reward is anything a dog likes - treats, toys, attention, chew bones, dinner, water, game of fetch, anything. The three most powerful reinforcers? Food, water, sex.

As long as it's on good stimulus control - the dog doesn't do the behavior unless cued, and only does the behavior when cued - I see nothing wrong with it. The dog sure enjoyed it, and it looks like a good energy release.
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I was discussing the video with someone else a few days ago.

Here's my (suspected) take on it.

The behavior is a reward, not a 'command'.

When I was first learning about rewards, the trainer described primary and secondary rewards. Primary are basically the things needed for survival - air, food, water, sex. Maybe one or two more, but basically a very small number of things that every species needs to survive. Secondary are things like play, attention, etc. I remember the class discussing that obviously it is cruel to take control of an animals air or water to use them as rewards, and you can't use sex (until now?), so food is the primary reinforcer that is easiest to train with.

I assume, this is a behavior the dog greatly enjoys, probably touches (pardon the pun) on the sexual desires, and therefore is a very high-value reward for the dog.

Not one I would ever use, but as I said, that is my take on the situation. I would love to hear Jean Donaldson's response.
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Old 11-14-2008, 07:26 PM
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I have to say that I get the concept of allowing it as a reward. Bizarre, but I get it.

But all the "She's going to faint," "she looks like she's blacking out," "her tongue is losing colour," is VERY bizarre. Why would you continue to allow a reward that gets a dog to the point of fainting?
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