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Old 08-06-2005, 09:39 AM
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sorry, another post from me. I forgeot to comment on the vidio, it made me cry, Im gonna show it to my friends.
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Old 08-06-2005, 09:45 AM
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Im sorry yuckaduck I dont agree with your statments about pits being muzzled in public. We have a mastiff, boxer, American bulldog X (we think) and she is just the sweetest thing. I have grown up with dogs all my life and believe they can serve as GREAT protection for your kids. I cant see a dog attacking a child without a trigger, it isnt that I wouldnt leave my kids alone with my dog for the fear of the kids being attacked, but that I wouldnt leave my dog alone with kids for fear of it being taunted.
Just don't come to Ontario because it is law here. All pit bulls and dogs looking like pti bulls must be muzzled when outside. No matter the age, sex, or temperment. Punishment for failing to do so is $10,000 and/or 6 months in jail for the first offense; $60,000 and/or 1 year in jail for second offence and on 3rd offence the dog is removed and put down. This is not my opinion it is the law. If you already own a dog, if you bring a new dog into the province the fines are hugh and the dog will be removed and destroyed. This is the law, pit bulls have been banned. Yet the humane societies are still trying to adopt out these dogs. Why? It is illegal!

2 pit bulls turn on man walking them for a friend[Toronto] police fire several shots before killing dogs in order to free man.

pit bull latches onto owners arm [London, Ontario]

12 year old boy and his mother torn and bleeding from family pit bull [Cambridge]

These are only cases that are recent so like I said either here there are very poor breeding practices or very bad owners or it is the breed. I formed my opinion based on the amount of document attacks in this province alone. I will neve allow a pit bull near my children. If I see one with no muzzle in my town or around any place where my children play; I will report it for the safety of my babies and for the safety of my dog. I looked at the facts and made an educated choice based on them. Anyone can take a video and say anything they choose as well so I think we need to take their facts with a grain of salt. I may not be popular for this opinion, but it is mine and I feel I have proved why enough with the cases documented. I just have to wonder how many cases have not been reported????
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Old 08-06-2005, 09:49 AM
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ok, i saw that and I researched it. I decided to use labs as this thread is now about breed discrimination, and I found this site.
http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/pet/88815821.html
on it is a list of links to lab attacks.
These are all attacks in the United States can you please post ones from Canada and more from Ontario as I have. Maybe your pit bulls are different because up here they are dangerous.
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Old 08-06-2005, 09:51 AM
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Thank you strider for that link. Whoever made that video did an awesome job. It really gets the message across, especially for those of us who don't like to read on & on and are more visual. I hope everyone watches it and posts a link to it in their other forums so it will get around.

And yuckduck there was an attack on a 7 y.o. boy in my neighboring state of GA in May. 200 bites from his head to his feet done by 4 dogs. 2 of them were labs, a doberman, and a bulldog mix (not a "pitbull"). He luckily survived. So just be careful of your views and try to keep an open mind on changing the way you look at all pits.
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Old 08-06-2005, 10:04 AM
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Thank you strider for that link. Whoever made that video did an awesome job. It really gets the message across, especially for those of us who don't like to read on & on and are more visual. I hope everyone watches it and posts a link to it in their other forums so it will get around.

And yuckduck there was an attack on a 7 y.o. boy in my neighboring state of GA in May. 200 bites from his head to his feet done by 4 dogs. 2 of them were labs, a doberman, and a bulldog mix (not a "pitbull"). He luckily survived. So just be careful of your views and try to keep an open mind on changing the way you look at all pits.
Again not here in Ontario as I have posted about the attacks hence the ban on the breed. Where is you Ontario, Canada proof that everydog is dangerous. Actually right now they are attempting to pass the bill to ban rottis. Who's next maybe Shepherds? Hey I have no problem muzzling Yukon if it is the law. I also never allow anyone to touch him, it is a dog and who knows what goes through there minds. I made my decisions based on documented cases so don't tell me to have an open mind. I did not get up one morning and decide that pit bulls were bad, I based my thoughts on facts. Like I said maybe the breeding, maybe the owners but the Ontario government sure feels they are dangerous dogs. Enough to ban them, guess what the last known pit bull in Winnipeg died in 2004, they have been banned there since 1988. Several townships have them banned within Ontario for years now it is a province wide ban. Careful what YOU believe in videos? It is very simple to manipulate videos to suit the needs at the time. I have nothing against the breed just don't want it near me. Let them bite someone else's kid. There is a kid here who walks his everyday, no muzzle so I will call by law on Mon morning, I have too protect my kids and I will not take any chances. After your kid is bite and has scars for the rest of her life or is dead, it is to late to protect them. I will protect my kids in any way possible.
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Old 08-06-2005, 10:10 AM
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Maybe this is something like you are requesting. http://ncrf2004.tripod.com/id10.html

I'm not from Canada so I know that we are not under same influence of how to view dogs. It's just you don't seem open to what we are saying that labs can be just as dangerous or any other breed. I base my thoughts on facts too, especially new ones. I can't agree with BSL no matter where it is.
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Old 08-06-2005, 10:21 AM
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Maybe this is something like you are requesting. http://ncrf2004.tripod.com/id10.html

I'm not from Canada so I know that we are not under same influence of how to view dogs. It's just you don't seem open to what we are saying that labs can be just as dangerous or any other breed. I base my thoughts on facts too, especially new ones. I can't agree with BSL no matter where it is.
Any and every dog can be dangerous if put in the right situation to be. I ain't stupid here. Just going off the documented cases that is all. The link you gave is a list of fatal dog attacks, that is dogs killing dogs but at the bottom it says they are not documented cases so unfortunately it is hard to be sure about them. I am just saying I have formed my opinion based on documented facts. I am not comfortable around pit bulls. My mother in law has a fear of big dogs including our dog. What you want me to tell her to have an open mind and not be scared. It does not work that way. The facts here in Ontario speak well enough on there own, the breed was BANNED!
So no one's opinion here really matters because they have been banned.
I will not allow my babies to be put in danger and by telling me to just have an open mind is like saying go ahead take a chance. Sorry I can't and I won't. My kids are way to important to me, more so than a dangerous dog that has been banned. It is not just my opinion here it is the opinion of many hence they were banned. I really don't know how else to make you understand that I am not comfortable having a breed of dog that has been deemed dangerous around my babies. I can't see them banning a breed for no reason. The documented cases speak well enough for themselves. Maybe your pit bulls have more responsible breeding, more reponsible owners, this I don't know but here they are a danger. The reported attacks here in Ontario that are mentioned in my previous posts all took place in July 2005. Really can't get much newer facts than that. Yesterday a 2 year old baby was attacked at the park from a pit bull that was not muzzled and was walking nicely on his leash, all of a sudden snapped. The owner later said, "I don't know why he did that, he was always so gentle before." The dog is sceduled to be destroyed Mon.
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Old 08-06-2005, 10:38 AM
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I thought it was for people too. That part in the middle where it stated like; "Roaming dogs kill child, Chained dog attacked child", not just dog on dog attacks. The part at the bottom says, 'there is no national recording system for the documentation of fatal dog bites in Canada. this list appears to be the only recording of fatalities available for Canada, and may be considered a fair representation of the types of fatal dog attacks that have occurred in Canada over the last 2 decades.", not that these aren't documented cases. None of those cases were pit bulls anyway.

I never said anything to the like of let your kids play with dogs you are uncomfortable around! Media hype can play a big role in influence, like the tabloids for the celebrities. What the media should be doing is trying to disprove the current perception that severe and fatal attacks is a phenomena exclusive to Pit Bulls and Rottweilers. That ban will probably revised soon because it doesn't fix the actual problem which is the owners making them dangerous, not the breed itself.
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Old 08-06-2005, 10:50 AM
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i think I've found another one for you to view.
http://www.doglegislationcouncilcanada.org/goeree.html
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Old 08-06-2005, 11:11 AM
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i think I've found another one for you to view.
http://www.doglegislationcouncilcanada.org/goeree.html
I believe that is put out by the opposition. There are two sides to every story. I do not say condem the dogs, I just say be responsible and also in some case parents of these kids need a head shaking too. What the hell is a momma doing allowing her baby to be in a postition to be bite? In some cases not all. Like the one where the pit bull attacked a toddler who was playing in its dish while it was trying to eat. No the dog should not have bitten but the kid should never have been in that position either. I had problems with Yukon biting me when I picked his dish up, now he has learned that is unacceptable behaviour, but never would my kids be near that dish when he is eating. Parents gotta use the nogin too. I just say for me I am uncomfortable with pit bulls, honest truth I am uncomfortable around Dobe's and Rotti's too. I also believe laws are put in place for a reason and they should be followed. They are attempting to ban GSD's in BC right now, that oughta be fun considering 90% of the policing dogs are GSD's. So the government can not always be reliable, however based on what I have seen and I know a lady here who use to breed pits, back yard breeder and swore they were well breed. Well she put several dogs together and who breed with who, no one knows.
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