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Old 10-23-2008, 12:43 AM
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This is a question I have been meaning to ask for a LONG time, but was reminded by Blackmask's excellent post in another thread.

If you have a stud dog (obviously not a bitch, they can only have limited numbers of litters) and say he is just so awesome that everyone and their friends want to breed to him. Obviously he has his faults and weaknesses, but let's say they are very minor, and he is just an all around excellent dog.

How many litters would you limit him to? If he sires too many, he will have a huge impact on the breed and change it for the better or for worse - maybe both. I, personally, do not think any dog should have that kind of impact. It seems extreme to me. Although if you have a different opinion feel free to discuss, I'd love to hear it!




Also, we are assuming you are an ethical breeder and won't breed to just any bitch, only high-quality ones.
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Old 10-23-2008, 02:55 AM
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I would limit him to siring only litters that I would want a puppy back from. I really don't see why a male should be bred more times than a female, so if one of mine sired 3 nice litters in his lifetime, I'd say that's plenty. I've already turned down 2 people wanting stud service on Priest, because I don't know if I plan on breeding him at all, let alone offering him at public stud.
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Old 10-23-2008, 05:08 AM
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I dont plan breeding my dog so 1 t0 3 will be enough for me...
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Old 10-23-2008, 08:49 AM
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There are so many variables to this. It would depend on the dog and what he has to offer. It would depend on the bitches that people approach with to send to him. It would depend a LOT on what he produces over time.

I would want to breed a young dog some, and see what he is putting out there with different blood lines. Sometimes a dog has so much to offer that it would be good to use him fairly extensively. Sometimes a dog does not.

Germany limits dogs to 40 bitches a year, and that is quite a lot. So my real answer to this question is, I have no idea, because for me it would depend on too many variables.
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Old 10-23-2008, 08:57 AM
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I get what you are saying. If you use a stud who looks to be great and everyone breeds to him. What if he is the carrier of some new health issue.....

40 bitches a year is a LOT. I can see breeding to bitches where I don't want a pup back.... I just don't need that many dogs. If my goal is to improve the breed then I would stand my dog to bitches I would WANT a pup back from.

No idea as to number of litters, but I agree genetically that you don't want one stud to have a monopoly on a few generations of a particular breed.
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Old 10-23-2008, 09:27 AM
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This is a good article on the Founders Effect.

http://www.papillonclub.org/Papillon...-Syndrome.html

But there is a great ariticle on it and I can't find it (use to have it saved on the old PC)

Lots of good info on Popular Sire Syndrome and/or the Founders Effect that anyone breeding should read.
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Old 10-23-2008, 10:33 AM
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a good dog at stud can bring in mucho dinero.

Of course campaigning a stud to the point where people WILL pay $2-3K a service requires mucho dinero...sometimes the two things get in the way of other things.

I am not going to put a number on it...varies too much breed to breed and region to region and country to country.
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Old 10-23-2008, 11:08 AM
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My 2 Goldens sired only 5 litters . Two were repeats . I had lots of requests , but they didn't do enough testing back then .
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Old 10-23-2008, 07:11 PM
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Honestly 30 litters in a lifetime is about the highest that my brain could concieve being even remotely resonable with an extreemely exceptional sire. Though I have a hard time imagining that even most of the good dogs cover more than a dozen bitches. Personaly if I had a dog up for stud I wouldn't expect to keep a pup from every litter, but I would only allow my stud to be used in breedings that I would do myself if I had the means to.
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Old 10-23-2008, 07:16 PM
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I Must add that the pick of the litter in each of my cases were a must , rather than Stud fee,
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