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Old 08-03-2005, 09:03 PM
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Anyone remember him? Talk about magnificient!!!!!! And his movement would bring tears to your eyes!!!!!!!!!
Anyone remember "him"??? I don't get you, MC.... what do you MEAN?
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Old 08-03-2005, 09:06 PM
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Manchesters, did you know Grammy's (Bubbatd) line? I don't understand.
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Old 08-03-2005, 09:08 PM
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Anyone remember "him"??? I don't get you, MC.... what do you MEAN?
The gorgeous Golden who was being shown maybe 4 years ago. He was the top Golden of that time period. He was perfection in conformation, movement, coat......one of those dogs that just makes you heart tighten into a knot when you see him in motion.

Of course I cannot remember the kennel name, rofl. My great memory....NOT...!
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Old 08-03-2005, 09:10 PM
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Manchesters, did you know Grammy's (Bubbatd) line? I don't understand.
I didn't. I would die to see a pedigree. I am a pedigree nut=butt!

The dog I was talking about was one of the most magnificient Goldens to walk the planet. Pretty close to perfection from what I heard. I like nice naked dogs, rofl. No muss no fuss, no hair to vacuum up!
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Old 08-03-2005, 09:11 PM
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The gorgeous Golden who was being shown maybe 4 years ago. He was the top Golden of that time period. He was perfection in conformation, movement, coat......one of those dogs that just makes you heart tighten into a knot when you see him in motion.

Of course I cannot remember the kennel name, rofl. My great memory....NOT...!
You mean top in AKC standards? They tend to be very blond and very squat. The Hawthorn Hill line was more of a large, lean, red field version of a golden...
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Old 08-03-2005, 09:58 PM
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You mean top in AKC standards? They tend to be very blond and very squat. The Hawthorn Hill line was more of a large, lean, red field version of a golden...
Well, top winning conformation Golden. Don't know if he had any field titles. Now THOSE titles you have to respect. They are earned....not just based on the opinon of some judge who never saw a good looking speciman of the breed!

My vet in New York breed Goldens which did much winning......Her name was Irene Kraft, and again I cannot remember her kennel name...something like Golden Winds or ????????

Thing is that for every breed, there is only one standard of the ideal. Few dogs of any breed that ever come close to any of those standards any more, sadly.
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Old 08-03-2005, 10:39 PM
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Manchester , I'm not going your way . You may be thinking of the Meadowpound line ...Bubba was grandson of CH.Murphy's Rainbow ...sweetie, if you'd feel better , I can take you back to the Speedwell, Rockhaven, Stillrovin, Lorelei lines or yore from which my goldens have come from, but you're probably too young to remember these lines. And yes , I do admire all titles.... Max McCammon was the 1st in the nation to acquire all 3 into the golden hall of fame with his dog Merrymac's Dream of Genie...my Roxie's Dam. Like to know more ???
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Old 08-03-2005, 10:51 PM
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Manchester , I'm not going your way . You may be thinking of the Meadowpound line ...Bubba was grandson of CH.Murphy's Rainbow ...sweetie, if you'd feel better , I can take you back to the Speedwell, Rockhaven, Stillrovin, Lorelei lines or yore from which my goldens have come from, but you're probably too young to remember these lines. And yes , I do admire all titles.... Max McCammon was the 1st in the nation to acquire all 3 into the golden hall of fame with his dog Merrymac's Dream of Genie...my Roxie's Dam. Like to know more ???
No, I cannot use young as an excuse, lol. I know NONE of the Golden lines. People tend to only zero in on those breeds that they are addicted to. And considering the amount of work that goes into learning the lines and dogs when you move from one breed to another, it is almost a college course!

I like to examine pedigrees to see what manner of breeding was done....linebreeding, how much outcrossing and so on. Many years ago a gentleman by the name of Walter Fletcher formulted the perfect breeding formula (looks confusing but it isnt really)----Let the sire of the sire be the grandsire of the dam on the dams side. I THINK it comes out to uncle neice breeding??? I am too pooped to be able to try to visualize it in my head.

I have links to the pedigrees of my dogs on my site. They are kinda scattered all over, under the pictures and such.

Many people get disgusted with showing in conformation because it is nothing but political, and who owes who what, and who is whose boyfriend, etc. For most breeds, Championships really are not to be trusted as a sign of the quality of the dog. Even with the champions I bred, I can see much to be desired in layback of shoulder, and rear angulation (WHAT rear angulation!!) Manchesters are supposed to have reach and drive, as opposed to "terrier movement" where the legs do not extend out from under the body. Manchester movement in both varieties stinks!!!!!! Because of the straight shoulders and straight rears!

It is a joy to talk breeding with breeders! I am a genetic enthusiast also, but mainly as far as coat color. I was really proud of myself when I finally was able to comprehend the Dobe color chart!!!! Then the white Dobe came along, rofl. But I think that is a simple recessive.

Have a good night.......I am poopsilated.
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Old 08-03-2005, 11:19 PM
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I have noticed alot of cross breeding back in the 40s and 50s....( Goldens ). I've always been an pedigree nut .... tried to stay away from the lines I knew that had cancer problems. Unfortunately with my I.B. I only had her 3 generation when I bought her. When I got her full pedigree I saw a red flag....unfortunatley , I was right.
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have she already had her puppies?
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