My growing girl

[EliNHunter]

Yes... bars on all four sides VERY important to keep pups from getting trapped under their Mom against the walls. Glad you're doing it! Poor Mamma already has squirming puppies in her belly... but isn't it cool to see her extended belling bubbling with little womb-bound puppies, though?!

Originally Posted by bubbatd

Good for him !!! So many don't know how important they are ! If the cage is wire, maybe piping would work. We drilled holes in our wooden one and threaded pipe through...then took them out when pups were old enough not to be rolled on. Please don't think I'm needling you !!! Breeding was my passion !The last litter that Bubba sired, the breeder promised they would build a whelping pen.... I even gave them the pasticulars. They ended up using a wading pool and the Dam rolled on and killed 2 pups.....sooooooooooooo un neccessary !

Conformation or obedience?

[bubbatd]

Excuse me ??? Conformation or obedience ??? That's not the point. We're talking about whelping. Though I did not choose to show in either , my line was tops in both areas. I decided with 3 kids, a husband, 8 acres, big house, business to help with, my dogs would continue what they were known for .....I called them 40 years ago companion dogs......Ten years ago one of my pup's owners was playing with his dog in a Chicago park,,,,,a stranger came up to him and said " Is that a Hawthorn Hill dog ?" He had owned one of my dogs and could tell the background . I'm proud of my breeding. And miss it !

get back into it grammy, I want one of your pups as much as I love Rory and dont regret for a second adopting her, I was hoping my wife would choose to get a golden. wait...hawthorn hill? I think my moms golden might have been out of one of your pups, or one of your pups pups? I was 5 when we got her, I'll have to ask my mom what her registered name was, and if she still has her pedigree papers. may have been something else but that sounds really really familiar. do you know if any of your pups went to an owner/breeder in Missouri? I dont remember where the breeder lived in Missouri but somewhere near St. Louis (maybe an hour away?).

[Saje]

Look what I found Grammy (in French!)

http://www.canina.be/pedigree/index....div=27993.html

I don't know what that means but that would have been one of your dogs, wouldn't it?

Originally Posted by bubbatd

Excuse me ??? Conformation or obedience ??? That's not the point. We're talking about whelping. Though I did not choose to show in either , my line was tops in both areas. I decided with 3 kids, a husband, 8 acres, big house, business to help with, my dogs would continue what they were known for .....I called them 40 years ago companion dogs......Ten years ago one of my pup's owners was playing with his dog in a Chicago park,,,,,a stranger came up to him and said " Is that a Hawthorn Hill dog ?" He had owned one of my dogs and could tell the background . I'm proud of my breeding. And miss it !

We are talking whelping, which = breeding which = dogs involved in producing the litter. I was simply interested in knowing your pupose for breeding and accomplishments. Everybody likes a chance to brag about what they have done for their breed. Just like they have that joke......"Let Me Tell You About MY Grandkids". And I was also interested in what degree of HD they had back then as opposed to now. Like has xraying and certifying been beneficial to the breed, or is the rate about the same.

I myself put no stock in championships. All I have to do is look at the crappy Manchesters with CH in front of their names. It is what a dog produces that proves it worth. And over the years my little bit of breeding has helped to improve the overall quality of the breed. Look at Indy (my grandson) and look at his father (#1 Manchester in the country! Big pile) and you can see the improvement. And to look at Indy's offspring, the improvement continues, thanks to being bred to quality b1tches. THAT is what I am proud of. Not of having produced dogs, but of having left the breed better than what I found it. That is the goal of a breeder, and the only reason for breeding.....to improve the breed, and/or to improve upon what you have.

NOW..........to get off my high horse, the real praise goes to those who produced the dogs I started out with...Busy Bee Manchesters, and Golden Scoops. It is their quality that is being passed on!!!

All of this relates to breeding and to whelping.

[EliNHunter]

Originally Posted by Saje

Look what I found Grammy (in French!)

http://www.canina.be/pedigree/index....div=27993.html

I don't know what that means but that would have been one of your dogs, wouldn't it?

Omigosh, Saje! I can't believe you found that! Although, no pic ever came up (if there was one). The Hawthorn Hill line tended to be pretty red. Visit my "Dog Nostalgia" thread to see the heritage!!

[Saje]

I didn't see a pic either. It's a weird site. If you scroll around there are links that show up when you go over them Do you know that dog?

Originally Posted by Saje

Look what I found Grammy (in French!)

http://www.canina.be/pedigree/index....div=27993.html

I don't know what that means but that would have been one of your dogs, wouldn't it?

Darn, that site sure does not give much info.....even for being in French, sites like that send me up the wall! You look them up, and you come away not knowing any more than when you clicked on the link! Rofl

Originally Posted by EliNHunter

Omigosh, Saje! I can't believe you found that! Although, no pic ever came up (if there was one). The Hawthorn Hill line tended to be pretty red. Visit my "Dog Nostalgia" thread to see the heritage!!

Anyone remember him? Talk about magnificient!!!!!! And his movement would bring tears to your eyes!!!!!!!!!