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Old 09-24-2008, 11:44 AM
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As a side note, what kind of health problems does your pup have that it can only have kibble? Sometimes kibble is the cause of problems, not the cure. And I'd be careful with too much garlic, too much isn't good.
The symptom is constantly diarrhea, but we don't know what the cause is. She's on a very bland kibble to rule out food allergies, but that is almost assuredly NOT the cause. She's been on three different kinds of kibble since I got her (changed from puppy food to bland diet once diarrhea started, then changed from bland diet to BLANDEST diet once it got worse). I'll ask my vet about the garlic. She gets about 1 tsp on a cup of kibble and she gets the cup of kibble over the span of a day as treats.
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Old 09-24-2008, 01:17 PM
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How much are you feeding her each day? Overfeeding can cause diarrhea. Is it real loose or just soft?
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Old 09-24-2008, 05:31 PM
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How much are you feeding her each day? Overfeeding can cause diarrhea. Is it real loose or just soft?
She is usually quite a poor eater. Apparently the pups were eating a cup of food three times a day at 8 weeks with the breeder. Nova ate about a quarter of that for weeks. She STILL doesn't eat 3 cups of food a day usually. Maybe on the odd day she might... I do offer her 1 cup of food FOUR times a day right now because some feedings she only eats 1/4 cup and sometimes she just turns her nose up and ignores it completely. Other times she devours everything and wants more so I OFFER her a lot in case she is hungry (and my vet advised me to feed her as much as she'll eat because she's losing so much nutrition with the diarrhea). She eats usually 2 1/2 to 3 cups of food a day. The other pups in the litter are eating their 3+ cups a day with no problems.

I can't tell you how expensive this is. The food she's on is the highest priced food I've ever seen and when I mix up a cup of it with some wet and she just walks away...it's like 5$ in the garbage every time. GRRRR. I've probably thrown out half the bag. I need to start refridgerating it and then re-heating it for the next meal. She doesn't seem to like to eat it once it's "old" either.

The diarrhea started as loose stool and only here and there. Then it was loose stool all the time. Then it was more "pudding" diarrhea, then that turned into watery, spraying diarrhea. No medication had any affect on this trajectory. It just got worse and worse every day. Lately she has gone between pudding diarrhea and spraying watery diarrhea.
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Old 09-24-2008, 05:53 PM
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Please stop training her for the time being if she is that sick, there is no way she can be physically or mentally able to learn. And by being that sick with trying to train her, she will avoid you.

Also, getting frustrated and pinning her to the ground as you already know, can damage the relationship that you are trying to develope.

You have been given excellent advice from others and I especially argee with the clicker training (once she is well) and laying of the NILIF until she is well.
I highly recommend that you teach her how to tug correctly with you, this is a great game at building a relationship BUT it has to been trained right. Being invited to grab on and releasing when asked is the most important part.

Another thought, what is your body language and voice like when you do interact with her, whether it be around the house or when training? Some people have a really hard time knowing what their voice sounds like and the tone etc. You don't have to raise your voice to such a point of sounding like an idiot on helium, but a nice up happy voice combined with a smile and soft eyes has a huge impact on our dogs and how they respond to us.
Watch the people that she responds to the best, note their body language and tone of voice and face etc and copy it.

I see people all the time in my classes that have this problem, of course many of them are already frustrated with how their attempts at training have not turned out as they expected. Their tone of voice alone is often like a drill sargent and their dogs are not the happiest and out going dogs in the class, combine that with the dog not knowing what it is suppose to be doing to please the owner and neither one is happy.

The best part is it can be an easy fix with both of you having an awesome relationship and both being thrilled with each other. So don't give up.
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Old 09-24-2008, 08:26 PM
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Please stop training her for the time being if she is that sick, there is no way she can be physically or mentally able to learn. And by being that sick with trying to train her, she will avoid you.

Also, getting frustrated and pinning her to the ground as you already know, can damage the relationship that you are trying to develope.

Another thought, what is your body language and voice like when you do interact with her, whether it be around the house or when training? Some people have a really hard time knowing what their voice sounds like and the tone etc. You don't have to raise your voice to such a point of sounding like an idiot on helium, but a nice up happy voice combined with a smile and soft eyes has a huge impact on our dogs and how they respond to us.
Watch the people that she responds to the best, note their body language and tone of voice and face etc and copy it.
I'm not going to stop training her because she is sick. If she were lethargic and acting ill I would of course not work her, but she is very bright, energetic and excitable so I'm not going to miss out on getting some training in on the ground floor simply because [unbeknownst to her] her body isn't working quite right.

YES. I am aware that I have made mistakes with her. As I mentioned I feel horrible about it and I am aware that it can have lasting consequences. Probably the last thing I need to be reminded about.

Of course, it is hard for me to critique my own tone of voice and maneurisms. Certainly, I am trying hard to be exciting and happy when I interact with her but it just may not be enough/the right way/may be too much. I can only try, right? This is part of the reason why I'd like to get more involved with clicker training because it takes the inconsistency of my voice out of it and it can't possibly have any negative connotations (which my voice can because, like most people, I can sometimes take on a frustrated or nagging tone).
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:44 PM
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More off topic, you had mentioned doing bite work with her. What's her pedigree look like?
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Old 09-25-2008, 03:48 AM
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I'm sorry to hear that you're having problems with Nova... especially with her health problems. Honestly, even if she does seem bright and energetic, it is NOT fun having an upset tummy/constant diarrhea, I'm sure. She could be uninterested or distant because of how crummy she must feel. = ( I hope your Vet/specialist can figure out what's going on with her!

I agree that her condition shouldn't stop you from working with her, however. But don't expect too much, and don't be too clingy. Fozzie kind of went through a rebellious/ignoring me period when he was a young puppy, and it sucked, but it was mainly because I doted on him too much and gave him endless attention/cuddling without expecting anything in return from him. He was just too cute! It seems like you're a very doting Mom, too, so you could always try giving Nova some space and see if it has an effect. You can periodically call her to you, and give her praise and petting and play, but don't follow her around soliciting attention all the time... I mean, assuming that you do. Once I stopped obsessing over Fozzie, he began to respect my attention much more, and getting pet and praised was more meaningful because it wasn't constant and free.
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Old 09-25-2008, 11:17 AM
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Domestika- to answer your question as to other fun tricks you can teach, now that you've started targetting the sky is the limit, you can slowly increase how far she has to go to touch a target, this is the basis for teaching go outs, you can teach her to do spins, weave through your legs, jump over your legs, go from sit, to front, which way to finish, you can teach her to target teddy bears or favourite toys and teach her to retrieve, you can teach her to close doors or cupboards by putting targets on them, you can teach her to target her crate or mat and start building a reliable go to mat/ go to crate for when company arrives, you can use a target to teach rollover, so many things.

Another great thing clicker training does is begin a reinforcement history bank, between you and your dog, over time the more you put in, generally speaking, the more positive relationship you will have, remember that past reinforcement will be in the bank as well so you need to put more in to counteract whatever else is in there.

Like there's mentioned I would click and treat her for even just walking by you, and then do some rapid fire treats, or if your pup prefers toys have a fun game of toss or tug ( just make sure you teach and out cue along the way and end it if any skin contact occurs). Essentially your just building up your bank account with her, you can also click and treat her when she lets you pet her, or if she comes up and sits on you, you don't have to carry your clicker around all the time you can charge a marker word, the shorter the better I like a single alphabet letter Z is my choice as we dont tend to use it much in day to day life. Like with the clicker say Z then toss a treat and repeat 10-30 times. Now youve got a clicker even when you dont have your actually clicker on you.

Other things you can train with the clicker include loose leash walking, not lunging towards other dogs on walks, accepting handling, nail clipping- again the sky is the limit.

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Old 09-25-2008, 11:26 AM
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More off topic, you had mentioned doing bite work with her. What's her pedigree look like?
Her dad and his side is all SchH3. Her mom's side has quite a bit of Schutzhund background, but not as strong. They're all working dogs in some way or other though. Her mom's side has more the search and rescue and RCMP dogs.
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Old 09-25-2008, 03:43 PM
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I can see why you want to train her at thi young age but I think you are way to strick with this pup. I kno wyou don't like to be chewed on but ALL puppie do thi. I would go pick her up an hold her while you watch tv or just sitting calmly. When she chews on you have a tug toy and tell her "no bite" and give her the tug to chew instead when she chews the tug tell her what a good girl she is. I'm really not sure why you are ignoring her but you think that she should be all over you but you have to teach her that you are a great peron to be with and holding her is the place to start.
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