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Old 11-13-2008, 05:09 PM
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Um, hasn't this entire thread been about how SBTs aren't APBTs?
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Old 11-13-2008, 05:20 PM
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I thought that the whole situation went like this:

American Pit Bull Terrier - not recognized by AKC - traditional American pit dog (been here quite a while)

American Staffordshire Terrier - recognized by AKC - kinda a show version of APBT - though the lines have been pretty much split for a while - usually bulkier than APBT

Staffordshire Bull Terrier - smaller than APBT and AmStaff - extremely rare in U.S. but not in U.K. - recognized by AKC

I didn't think there was an American Staffordshire Bull Terrier
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Old 11-14-2008, 09:55 AM
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Who is saying the SBT is the same as an Amstaff, and to be honest I think an Amstaff is just a show version of a Pit bull.
There is an original stafford type and there is the show standard type stafford, depends what you want in a dog, both the temperments are the same, but one is more athletic, for me the orignal standard SBT is the only type I will ever own.
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Old 11-14-2008, 10:07 AM
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there are alot of people on this thread insisting that there are tons of staffybulls in shelters, when infact there actually amstaffs, but people often lable them as staffies to make them sound less...pitbull...

in terms of personality though the 2 breeds are very similar.
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Old 11-14-2008, 12:16 PM
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You don't get many staffs that have that look though, because they are unbelievably overbred. Mainly in cities and the like.
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Old 11-14-2008, 01:20 PM
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Oh I understand now, the dog posted is not the heaviest show stafford, but also not my ideal, I like mine more from the original stand
Most of the dogs on here and true to thier type and colour, ear etc type faults are not look apon as a sin, instread breeding to type and keeping them athletic is..

http://www.cosmos-staffords.co.uk/Ma...staffords.html

These dogs are the top winning show staffords
http://www.crossguns.com/

there is a big difference, but if you like showing then these are the type staffords needed.
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Old 11-14-2008, 01:30 PM
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crossguns have gorgeous show type "typical" staffies (not the overbred byb ones that are finding their ways around the uk now as Dizzy stated...)

and of course dogs from working lines have a differnt look, longer leaner and more "athletic" (though ive met many a stocky little show ring staffy that has been more than willing to prove themselves in weight pull ect too lol)

but as you can see from all those pics, complatly different Look from the AmStaff.

staffies are my absolute fave of the bully breeds, followed by the bull terrier. lol
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Yes show staffords are typical TODAY, however there was no need what so ever to change the original standard, and has made no sense at all as the original was perfect, but SBT's are the best then closely followed by the pit bull
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Old 11-14-2008, 02:03 PM
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Also champion winning staffords are closely bred, line bred than any other Staffordshire bull terriers and rarely there is hardly any new blood bred in, hence they have a typical look.
I do not like the heavy line bred look in any animal at all

Id rather take many of the leggier athletic stafford who have been out crossed to different lines any day, makes for a much healthier dog

But why are there so many byb staffords as you say? why are they byb?
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true ENGLISH staffy bulls are DIFFERENT from the american staffordshire bull terrier!

the staffordshire bull terriers bred in america that a few people keep saying are "a dime a dozen" and "realy common" are not the same as a well bred true ENGLISH staffy bull.

thats why they have different names
the english staffordshire bull terriers are fondly named "Staffy Bulls"
the american staffordshire bull terriers are refered to as "Am-Staffs"

while RELATED these 2 dogs are different and i wanted to make that very clear.

there are VERY few Good TRUE staffy bull breeders here in the US...infact there are even very few GOOD amstaff breeders, but staffy bulls in the english style are darn neer impossible to find here in the us.

everyones covered most stuff....
clownish, fun loving, loyal can be dog agressive and stubborn...

but the staffy bull was originally termend THE NANNY DOG, this breed, when properly bred and correctly socilized/rasied ADORE children and are one of the best family dogs in the right hands, the staffies i grew up with would rather be with their kids though.
my aunt had one who would follow her son to school EVERY MORNING the dog woudl sit outside the school gates most of the day, he would leave at lunch time to head to the butcher round the corner from the school where hed get a knuckle bone which hed take back to the school gates and eat/wait there till he came out of school...this is NOT an unusual situation for this breed.

this is one of my favorite family breeds for the right family! i love these short stocky rolypoly tanks.
i used to have a link to an excelent site that compared the staffy, the amstaff and the apbt.
but because i dont have that...
the following images are of dos form the show ring, they do not belong to me, dogs from working lines may differ, but similarities remain.

the staffy bull UK
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http://www.eastangliansbtclub.co.uk/



these are solidily built short stocky tank like dogs they have a rounder feel to me in terms of face and body.

Amstaff:
often cropped

in terms of looks tend to be taller and generally over all Bigger (though often dont look as stocky as uk staffies) and have a longer face/muzzle)
Uhhh......you lost me. Mainly because the "American Stafffordhire Terrier" does not have the word "Bull" in it and it never has.

To make a long story short, the APBT was derived from working dogs similar to the SBT of old, and ASTs are a show version of the APBT (now a separate breed due to decades of breeding for completely different reasons & standards).
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