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Old 09-03-2008, 01:41 PM
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Ok, So I had posted a while ago about what it was like to show a dog. Someday I wanted a show dog, and I wanted to know a little more other than what I had seen as a spectator.

Well, now I have more questions! I found a breeder who is very close to me, feeds raw, she seems very nice, and I explained to her that I am new to this and need someone who can guide me through it. She was fine with that, saying that having someone to show you around makes life a lot easier. So, now we are trying to plan a time for me to go meet her and her dogs. I'm very excited!

Anyway, here's my question. For getting into showing, would you recommend getting a puppy or an older dog? Apparently she has a couple older dogs avail. One, is a 12 month old dog. She kept her and her sister, and has decided to show her sister and the other is a 6 yr old with 11 points already that she would let go with a breeding contract.

Also, when I meet her, what kind of questions should I ask her?
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Old 09-03-2008, 02:06 PM
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lol, It's conFORmation - like how well the dog conforms to the standard. Pet peeve, not picking on you so please don't take it that way

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Anyway, here's my question. For getting into showing, would you recommend getting a puppy or an older dog? Apparently she has a couple older dogs avail. One, is a 12 month old dog. She kept her and her sister, and has decided to show her sister and the other is a 6 yr old with 11 points already that she would let go with a breeding contract.
Depends. *I* would rule out the 6 yo, partially because I would not breed a 6 yo bitch unless under VERY certain circumstances (has this dog had any health testing done? Has it been bred before?), and if not a bitch it would have to be a super dog. Why hasn't it been finished yet? Will she be on as co-owner (is to be expected)?

Why does she want to show the sister but not the other bitch? What is the other one's flaws and why is the other better than the other (slight difference or a significant one)? If the 12 month old was a nice bitch, I would probably go that route - no housetraining (can also hit the ring faster) But it depends on if you like the puppy stages or not and what training the older dog has had. At least with an older dog, you have an idea if it's able to show or not, rather than going through the ugly puppy looks and it developing a flaw/disqualification.
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Old 09-03-2008, 02:06 PM
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How soon do you want to start showing? In the AKC the pups have to be at least 6 months old. The one pointed is obviously doing well.. ( temptation in the mix here.. lol.. )
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Old 09-03-2008, 02:30 PM
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haha! sorry about the spelling! when i type fast I often misspell things... or word sentences weirdly...

anyway, as far as I know she only wanted to show one, and the one that she picked is really only different in color.

the 6 yr old is a merle(love that color), but I don't see why at 6 she would still only have 11 points....

In anycase, I didn't really decide on a set time that I wanted to start showing. So, waiting for a puppy is fine, but starting right away is fine too! lol.


And what questions do you think I should ask her? about the dogs and about her. I'm trying to figure out if she's the breeder for me, bc I'm looking for someone who will be more than just "ok, here's your puppy."
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Old 09-03-2008, 02:35 PM
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You are looking for a mentor- ask her which is best to show. Tell her what you want to do but a older seasoned vetern such as the older dog might be best to get your feet wet in showing. My daughter started showing as a child, but the dogs she learned with were my seasoned veterns that knew what was expected to show. Are you looking into junior handler?
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I would do junior handler, but everything I read says under 18, so I don't qualify...

and yeah, having a dog that already knows the routine kinda seems like a good idea to me. But, I want to know what other people who are already showing think. My concerns for getting an older dog is that I already have a few dogs, and I wouldn't be rehoming the dog when it was done showing...

oh yeah, and once a dog becomes CH what else can you do?
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Old 09-03-2008, 02:48 PM
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And what questions do you think I should ask her? about the dogs and about her. I'm trying to figure out if she's the breeder for me, bc I'm looking for someone who will be more than just "ok, here's your puppy."
I would ask her to be honest on what you should do. Everyone knows that if I were to get another dog to show it would have to be more than be able to finish. Ask her to go over the 12 month old with you when you meet up with her, never settle if a breeder says its simply show-able... KNOW the flaws and respect a breeder that will be upfront about them. Note the pros/cons (ie: nice head, but too long, etc. etc.), every dog is going to have cons. If she thinks that it would be best to wait until something better comes along... I would wait. Does the 6yo have majors? What shows were she shown at? Heck, go over the 6 yo, it could be better than the 1 yo... but I would definitely question WHY she isn't finished yet and if she has been bred before. Sorry if you said this, but are you planning on breeding? But there's nothing like getting those 15 pts and majors on your own...

Also go over her contract, I would expect her to be co-owner with you, and if she isn't I would ask why. Ask what health clearances she gets and what you will need to have done at what time. The guarantees, even what shows she frequently goes to and if you could go along with her until you get your own dog. What breed is this btw?

(Really hoping I am making sense, me + cold medicine doesn't equal anything productive)
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Old 09-03-2008, 02:51 PM
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I would do junior handler, but everything I read says under 18, so I don't qualify...

and yeah, having a dog that already knows the routine kinda seems like a good idea to me. But, I want to know what other people who are already showing think. My concerns for getting an older dog is that I already have a few dogs, and I wouldn't be rehoming the dog when it was done showing...

oh yeah, and once a dog becomes CH what else can you do?
Honey... Never approach a show of " what others think..". Approach it as a day out with your dog.
And- no- dogs should not be rehomed.. The dog has already been bounced once into a family- its not fair to do it again. If you get a show dog- IMO its for life- their life..
I have been handling dogs since I was a 8 year old child. Started as a junior, then went from there.. Any dog in my " charge" with few exceptions lived with me their entire life. If you only want to show but worried about what to do after the career ends, then may I suggest you take handling classes to become a handler. Then you could show but the dogs go back to their homes.. ( graps at straws..)
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What breed? Just curious

I really enjoyed getting my first show dog(Smooth Collie) as a young puppy. As long as you have a good buddy that shows(I didn't but still made it work) to show you the ropes and you have a nice conformation class, it's really not that big of a deal training your dog for a show- so getting a more experience dog, IMO, isn't necessary if you are willing to do the training. It's hardly like the training for agility or things like that

My first dog show, with NO experience at all except for my Conformation class, I won Best Junior Handler, and my dog also one first twice that same day. Not saying that this will happen with everyone, just saying what's possible

BorzoiMom- I don't think she was implying she would get rid of her dog after she got it's Ch. Title, I think she was asking what else she can do conformation wise with the dog
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Old 09-03-2008, 02:55 PM
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oh yeah, and once a dog becomes CH what else can you do?
Normally once a dog if finished it'll never see the inside of a confo ring again... unless it's being specialed. There's performance events, which are important to show off that the dog is more than just a pretty face. I love dogs that have titles on both ends.
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