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Old 08-31-2008, 06:37 PM
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I have a chihuahua. I know that tiny dogs don't eat much at a time. But I also know that you can easily get them on a meal schedule. I'm not asking you to feed her once a day, that would not be healthy. Heck, you could feed her ten times a day if you want! Put some food in a bowl, put the bowl down, and give her 15 minutes or so. If after the 15 minutes, she doesn't seem interested in the food anymore, pick the bowl up and offer her food again an hour or two later. This is how you can keep track of when she eats, and this is how you can get her on a schedule so that you KNOW when she needs to go out and when she only wants to go play.

Are you taking her outside on a 4-6 foot leash? And are you taking her to the same spot every time, so that she learns that when you go to that spot, she's supposed to go potty?
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Old 08-31-2008, 08:27 PM
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I have a chihuahua. I know that tiny dogs don't eat much at a time. But I also know that you can easily get them on a meal schedule. I'm not asking you to feed her once a day, that would not be healthy. Heck, you could feed her ten times a day if you want! Put some food in a bowl, put the bowl down, and give her 15 minutes or so. If after the 15 minutes, she doesn't seem interested in the food anymore, pick the bowl up and offer her food again an hour or two later. This is how you can keep track of when she eats, and this is how you can get her on a schedule so that you KNOW when she needs to go out and when she only wants to go play.

Are you taking her outside on a 4-6 foot leash? And are you taking her to the same spot every time, so that she learns that when you go to that spot, she's supposed to go potty?
Agreed. ^^^

And my questions about how much play time and training both mentally and physically were also never answered. It sounds like this pup needs both........

And another thing, even at 14 wks and trained inside, the rules of house training should still be followed to ensure that the training is solid. Those rules are pup goes out after eating, drinking, sleeping and play.
Another solution, x-pen with a cover outside for potty training, therefore pup is then off leash (considering that it is harder to get pups to 'go' on leash) and is safe from critters.
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Old 08-31-2008, 09:05 PM
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I did answer those questions at the post on page one. We are both home all the time. Go read my reply there. She gets tons on attention and stimulation. We are two middle aged disabled adults who spend most all of our time with her.

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Agreed. ^^^

And my questions about how much play time and training both mentally and physically were also never answered. It sounds like this pup needs both........

And another thing, even at 14 wks and trained inside, the rules of house training should still be followed to ensure that the training is solid. Those rules are pup goes out after eating, drinking, sleeping and play.
Another solution, x-pen with a cover outside for potty training, therefore pup is then off leash (considering that it is harder to get pups to 'go' on leash) and is safe from critters.
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Old 08-31-2008, 09:20 PM
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Well before everyone starts getting all defensive...

If you can keep track of how often she does go out, on average if you don't want to feed her on a schedule (say she goes to the bathroom roughly once every half hour) then after she goes, start timing and do not take her out again until her half hour is up.
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Old 08-31-2008, 09:31 PM
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I did answer those questions at the post on page one. We are both home all the time. Go read my reply there. She gets tons on attention and stimulation. We are two middle aged disabled adults who spend most all of our time with her.
Actually you didn't really, because I asked how much training she is getting.......
Thats mentally stimulation.

I am going to bow out of this thread now, finding the OP just a little more than rude and intolerable.

Btw, your welcome for any suggestions that you use that I offered, although I am thinking that sinse your are the expert here that you wont use them because you want an easy quick fix for something that the rest of us know isn't.
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Old 08-31-2008, 09:46 PM
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I agree putting on a schedule is a good idea. AND it is healthier for them. The canine digestive tract is not meant to 'graze'.

You said she gets lots of stimulation, but what kind? What kind of activities are you doing with her to satisfy a pups need for mental growth (I do understand your fear of letting her out off leash). Can you take her somewhere where it is safe for her to explore? The sights and sounds and smells of new places (like on walks and such) are very very stimulating to pups. You are going to have to work really hard to match that within the home.

One thing you can do for stimulation is to 'shape' behaviours. Then you could even shape one you want for a signal to go out and potty. (tho any method could lead to 'excessive bell ringing' if she is craving mental stimulation.
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Old 09-01-2008, 01:50 AM
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I have reread every word I wrote and I do not feel that I was either rude or defensive. Now I may be a little defensive over your second paragraph below in your quote. I think that was uncalled for.

I have no idea what size dogs you have worked with and yet you are asking me the questions that you did above. I replied as best I could.

If you have never worked with any animal quite this small then you would not realize that at 14 weeks what she has done by figuring out to only potty outside is a great accomplishment. You mentioned that it was my expectation. I have had another toy poodle and use to raise Yorkies for the show ring, and believe me when I say that was not my expectation. I really expected it to take months for her to come this far.

No I am not an expert nor did I claim to be, but I have worked extensively with tiny dogs for years. I have 3 veterinarians that would recommend me and the pup I use to raise anywhere. I have been told by my vets that I know as much as they do. I have read books on breeding, genetics, and veterinary medicine for years. I just don't know what to do about her telling me when she really does not need to potty.

I know about stimulation and socializing and a lot more. That is not related to my question.

At 1 1/2 pounds and about 5 inches high to the top of her back she is still very very much like a tiny baby. She is far advanced for her age. Most of these tiny gals and guys take months and months worth of work.

I don't know how we got to feeding schedules when my original question was how do I get her to tell me when she really needs to go out and not just want to go out to play.

As far as does she really get it and is she reliable, well I can tell you that if I am reading her wrong at times, and she does not need to go, she will run backwards and bark if I get the leash. She knows whether she needs to go or not, but it is just sometimes she tells me she does and acts like she does need to go when she really doesn't and only wants out to play.

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Actually you didn't really, because I asked how much training she is getting.......
Thats mentally stimulation.

I am going to bow out of this thread now, finding the OP just a little more than rude and intolerable.

Btw, your welcome for any suggestions that you use that I offered, although I am thinking that sinse your are the expert here that you wont use them because you want an easy quick fix for something that the rest of us know isn't.

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Old 09-01-2008, 07:47 AM
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You will find lots of experienced people on this forum....so please don't discount information offered to you, or questions made. I think your posts, perhaps not intended to be rude... come off a bit curt--just something to be aware of.
Now I am by no means an expert, or nearly as experienced as adojrts, or dekka...but I will give you my .02 cents.

Perhaps if you train her to ring a bell before taking her out to potty, it will help. I know Dekka alluded to this...but I would place the bell ONLY for times that you are taking her out for the purpose of eliminating. Ring the bell, take her to her potty spot, and then back in.

To add, I would use a different behavior for play time outside, --maybe have her tug on a rag tied to the door---take her to her play spot. Do not mix the two areas.

Additionally, she is a very young dog. It will take time....regardless of how bright she is. She is a baby--give her time, play time, and I agree a schedule is worthwhile even if she is a toy breed--you can still schedule her feedings and outings. Good luck.
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Old 09-01-2008, 08:32 AM
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I don't know how we got to feeding schedules when my original question was how do I get her to tell me when she really needs to go out and not just want to go out to play.
The reasoning behind the feeding schedules questions was to help *you* know better when it is a true potty need and when it is a play request. Also, the "how much training" questions relate to that as well. If she's asking to go out and play a billion times a day, she's likely bored. She's figured out a way to get your attention and get "un-bored." Pretty darn inventive for a 14 week old pup if you think about it.

I'd bet, if you REALLY paid attention to her actions when she's asking to go out you'd see some differences in the two. My dogs will ask to go out if birds or cats are in the yard. On the surface it seems just like a "hey, gotta pee here" asking. It was getting frustrating to me to leash them up and go out when all they wanted was to shoo the birds away. I started watching and really paying attention. There is more intensity in the "stare," more urgency in the "prance," more wiggles and general "hurry up lady or get some paper towels already!" I think one of the worst things we, as owners, do is to not notice when the dog is telling us something. I'm coming to this realization rather late in the game myself, but now that I'm listening to the dogs things are going much better.
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Old 09-01-2008, 08:51 AM
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Most dogs need to urinate when they first wake up, after drinking a lot of water or a play about in the house, a few minutes after they eat. By going outside and watching when your dog does go out and deficate or urniate and comparing it to your feeding schedule and when the dog is waking up should give you a good idea.
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