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Old 08-18-2008, 02:17 AM
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I've always fed __ food to my dog and he did just fine
While there is nothing wrong with feeding a particular food if your dog does well on it and you feel comfortable feeding it, the question is whether you have a basis of comparison and whether the formulation of the food has changed over time. I have seen the effect a better food can have on my own dog. When I adopted him from the shelter, he was a thin little puppy with a brittle coat and a rather strong "doggie odor". I didn't know better yet, fed an average quality food and thought the change in his appearance was stunning, except for the severe reactions he still showed whenever he picked up the occasional flea and got bitten before it died. He had gained weight, the odor improved and his coat was softer and shinier. I was happy and didn't think that any further improvement was possible - until he had been eating a really high quality food for about a month. His allergy to flea bites disappeared entirely, the muscle tone became much more defined, his coat even glossier, softer and most important, much, much denser. The doggie odor vanished.

If I hadn't at least given the better food a try, feeding it long enough to see results (depending on the individual dog this takes about 4-8 weeks), I would still have been convinced that my dog "did just fine" on the lesser quality food. Now I clearly see the difference between "doing just fine" and truly thriving. Every step up the "quality ladder" will bring improvements, the stray dog who used to survive mostly on garbage will do better once he gets a daily ration of even a relatively cheap food because it supplies more essential nutrients; and a dog who was fed a grocery store brand is guaranteed to improve on a better quality product as well.
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Old 08-18-2008, 03:50 AM
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Thanks for that Sage, really.
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Old 08-18-2008, 10:39 AM
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If you want to feed Purina, that's fine. I don't think anybody here will give you heck for it.

But out of curiosity, have you ever tried a high-quality food? I thought my dogs were great on Iams until I switched to Eukanuba. Then I thought they were amazing on Eukanuba until I switched to Natural Balance. Then I thought they were phenomenal on Natural Balance until I switched to raw. Even then, it took a bit of tweaking until I hit the ideal mix that really made them look head-turning stunning. And who knows? In a few years, I may come across something even better.
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Old 08-18-2008, 11:30 AM
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I fed proplan a while and it worked well. Then I started learning about it and it really has to do with ingredients. There are ingredients I just don't feel comfortable at all with. My dogs did well enough on the Purina, I thought.

I honestly know though that the dogs are doing so much better on EVO. It's fun taking Summer back to her breeder after getting off the purina and on the Innova. I finally got my breeder interested in a higher quality food because you just can't deny the change! She didn't look BAD on Purina, but she looks fantastic on the EVO. Beau is looking great too! They're much more muscular and they eat the EVO so much better.

I think anyone needs to find what works for their dogs and what they're comfortable feeding and that's it.
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Old 08-18-2008, 12:16 PM
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I think it all has to be taken into context. If I adopted a dog that was eating Ol Roy and free eating all they wanted all day (and whoever knows what other conditions) and moved them to Purina (at the very least I would go with Proplan so it lists meat first--I don't think the regular does?)--and fed them regular meals with normal amounts than sure I would hope to see an improvement. Much the same as I would hope to see an improvement going from Purina to Innova or something like that--even if the change wasn't tangible (better coat, better smell) etc--I would still make the switch as you have to think about what's going on inside as well. We all know people can put up good appearances and still be eating very unhealthy (living on diet shakes, have eating disorders, live on junk) etc.
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Old 08-18-2008, 01:47 PM
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I fed my dogs Purina Dog Chow to start with. We didn't have good results (Smokey is just tender stomached and gets skin issues - found out it was chicken that causes it or at least part of it)
So we moved up to RiverRun (Nutrena brand) which isn't much better than Purina but it was easier to get than the Purina because we didn't have a Walmart or anywhere close by.
Once we moved I switched to Nutro Herring Meal brown rice and potatoes - to see if we could clear up Smokey's skin.
He did quite well on it, but at $42 a bag (30# bag too ) it was breaking my bank account as much as he was eating. His coat and skin got a lot better and the hot spots went away finally - hair even stopped falling out!
Then it happened...I made a mistake balancing my checkbook and realized that I really couldn't afford $42 for the bag of food that we needed...so I went to our local Tractor Supply (which is always cheaper than Petco) to see if I could save a few bucks on the Nutro Herring Meal...come to find out that they don't carry it at least that type.
While I was digging through I saw a bag of Diamond Naturals lamb and rice (also had the chicken and rice but my carpet cleaner would be broken if I had bought that!) and remembered that Kirkland and such was made by Diamond (I think Canidae is now too but not sure on that)...so I decided to flip a bag over and read the back. It has close to the same ingredients as the Nutro, and lists meat first and no corn or wheat...and $25 a bag (40# bag) so I figured I'd give it a shot since it would save me almost $20.
They seem to be doing fine on it, though I have noticed an increase in poop (not very significant though maybe a little more than usual) and their coats still look good and no skin issues.

So use what is available and what works for your dogs is all I can really say. Before we moved to NY we had tried Canidae and the results were horrific...I've never seen so much diarrhea in my life and I ended up giving the rest of the bag to the humane society. We also tried a few others with limited success - even very expensive brands (gave Orijen a shot...that wasn't a good idea!) - so we ended up back on Purina Dog Chow until I found the Nutro and then the Diamond Naturals.

I won't knock you for feeding Purina at all

Oh and as a side note, Lily's breeder feeds Pedigree puppy and swears by "bread and peanut butter" for protein...
Needless to say poor Lily had an upset tummy when she came home because I'm not feeding Pedigree
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Old 08-18-2008, 02:38 PM
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If you want to feed Purina, that's fine. I don't think anybody here will give you heck for it.

But out of curiosity, have you ever tried a high-quality food? I thought my dogs were great on Iams until I switched to Eukanuba. Then I thought they were amazing on Eukanuba until I switched to Natural Balance. Then I thought they were phenomenal on Natural Balance until I switched to raw. Even then, it took a bit of tweaking until I hit the ideal mix that really made them look head-turning stunning. And who knows? In a few years, I may come across something even better.
This was my point with Mordy's quote. You don't really know how well they would do on a higher end food. I'm sure they are doing just fine on purina. You might run into trouble done the road but you might not. On a higher end food you'd likely see an even more dramatic change.
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Old 08-18-2008, 03:05 PM
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In my case though, I've seen the opposite - they're doing better on the Kirkland than they have on high quality foods - EVO, Innova, Nature's Variety... etc.

But I wouldn't know this if I hadn't tried the better kibbles.
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Old 08-18-2008, 06:00 PM
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We use to feed Eukanuba (sp?) and then moved onto Purina and the change was amazing.
I have never tried higher than Purina because we have nothing higher around here, and as I stated before we will not order food from offline, etc etc.

I am glad I won't get knocked out for feeding Purina. LOL
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Old 08-18-2008, 07:22 PM
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i couldn't feed purina, euk, and the others anymore, considering you can get food a lot better for the same price. I'm a "get the most bang for my buck" kinda gal. It just seems silly to me to pay for someone's advertising when I could *actually* be paying for the quality of food instead.

When I was growing up, our dogs ate whatever was on sale at the grocery store - kibbles n bits, pedigree, beneful, etc. Now that I've worked in a holistic pet food store, I think those foods might be good to burn in case of winter emergency, but would never consider feeding those to my animals. Well maybe the birds. There's lots of corn in them after all... And not MY birds. My birds eat holistically too (if only the same realization that's come to the dog world would come to the parrot world!). So I guess the squirrel and the wild birds might enjoy it.
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