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The logic behind it isn't really that of flooding. You don't cross the threshold enough to truly flood the dog.
The reasoning for CAT is that the dog wants the stimuli to go away. Previously aggression has worked to that end. Here, we present the stimulus at the point where the dog will aggress and we wait. When the aggression doesn't serve to make the stimulus leave, the dog should begin to offer something else. We want that something else, and as soon as it's offered we reward the dog by removing the stimulus. It absolutely is negative reinforcement. But also if the dog aggressed and the stimulus went away, the dog has been negatively reinforced for aggression. That's one of the ways aggression escalates. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning Quote:
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er...but the dog isn't aggressing when the stimulus goes away. The dog goes into calm behavior. THEN the unwanted stimulus goes away.
Or did I not understand? I could have missed it, seriously, my mind starts spinning when I start thinking/talking about behaviors and stuff of that nature. |
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I should have figured! Sorry!
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The greatest chance of flooding with CAT occurs when the stimuli see's no reaction so inches closer to meet threshold and the dog goes off the charts (and this DOES happen no matter how experienced you are with CAT).
The reason that even Jesus calls this method a form of flooding is that when that often unexpected outburst happens, you CAN NOT retreat at that point and must stay in place until an alternative behaviour/signal is offered. If you then turn to retreat for your 15 seconds and again the dog reacts as you start to move away, you MUST return to that position and hold until another signal is offered. I've seen cases where this can take 3 or 4 attempts at leaving...thus flooding has occured. My feeling is that as this is usually not the method chose for dogs with timidity issues, this level of flooding can be beneficial in allowing the dog to create a different way of controlling his environment, unlike flooding where all control is taken away. Does that make sense at all??
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I will be very interested to see how this plays out. I have read about it, learned about it in class, but have never had to use it as none of my clients have been so out of control DA. Can you get someone to video tape??
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er...probably not this time, Sis.
I might get some pictures, though. Actually, if I can contact my trainer to see what she says about videotaping our first session, I might see if Ben's dad has a video camera. |
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So not necessarily something to post up online for those of us who are nosey enough to want to see it (<-----me), but at least so you and your trainer can sit down and watch it and analyze what happened.
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oooh!
that would be awesome! Well, as it turns out, I don't have a video camera that will upload to the computer. ![]() I have my point and shoot which will do about a minute of taping, but that's it. |
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