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Old 08-14-2008, 12:50 PM
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I wish I had worded it better !
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Old 08-14-2008, 01:32 PM
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The story shows the unparalleled loyalty and sheer devotion dogs have for their families and those they love.

I won't comment on the suicide because I have some rather strong feelings on the subject and do not want to hurt feelings or say something that may be taken the wrong way.
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Old 08-14-2008, 02:22 PM
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And with cases like these, someone else is almost always seen as being "more important" than the one who was really suffering. And I do wonder how much support this man had in dealing with depression.
My first thoughts as well . . . I think it deserves to be repeated. But that's all I've got to say on the topic of his depression - poor man.

As for the dog? What an amazing bond they must have had for him to do that.
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Old 08-14-2008, 02:28 PM
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All I can think is . . . its too bad he didn't know just how much that dog loved him before he did it.
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Old 08-14-2008, 03:40 PM
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I totally agree, good post!

I'd also like to make an observation - not necessarily about this particular situation, but in general... why is selfishness always seen as bad? It's YOUR life, and IMO you are not on this earth to suffer while you keep everyone else happy. Sometimes you just have to do things for *you*. I wonder if more people were "allowed" by society to think about their own welfare *first* a bit more, if we as a population would be happier.

And with cases like these, someone else is almost always seen as being "more important" than the one who was really suffering. And I do wonder how much support this man had in dealing with depression. I know I suffered for years with horrible depression in high school and my parents shrugged it off, said it was only a phase... if they had only stepped in and *helped*, I think I'd be a happier and more confident person today. But I bet if you ask them... they would say they did everything they could to help. Bull.

Just an observation, you can take it or leave it.
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All I can think is . . . its too bad he didn't know just how much that dog loved him before he did it.
Very true . . . I know there have been times when the only thing holding me back was my dogs. Everyone else was part of the problem.
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Old 08-14-2008, 03:59 PM
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I wasn't passing judgment on the person or situation. I just said that I think suicide is often a selfish act, and explained my viewpoint with a series of "what ifs". I have no clue what actually happened. *shrug*
They don't UNDERSTAND that they can get help.
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Old 08-14-2008, 04:04 PM
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Sometimes, I think, for some people, the pain is just too great and circumstances are such that they are consumed with pain and sorrow and aloneness and it is more than they can bear anymore.

If our dogs looked at us with eyes that full of pain, would we force them to go on?
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Suicide isn't a spur of the moment action.
Sometimes it is. Manic Depressives often commit suicide on the spur of the moment while in a manic phase. Unfortunately, I know about this topic all too well.

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I don't think it was suicide. Suicide is NOT a random decision. I have a friend who is suicidal... and I know he's put the gun down at least twice after giving it thought. NOT an easy decision AT ALL. There would be signs... not necessarily a note, but things like giving away prized possessions, maybe just signs of depression. SOMETHING.
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They don't UNDERSTAND that they can get help.
Often times, they don't want help. That feeling of self worthlessness is often so great that they don't feel as if they're not worthy of help. They feel like a drain on everyone around them and truly believe the world would be better off without them in it. Saying to themselves that they warrant helping would be recognizing that they matter enough to stick around.

Anyways, it's not a black and white issue, the subject of suicide.

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Old 08-15-2008, 12:16 PM
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My mother attempted sucide in front of me when I was 12, and told me that if I loved her, I wouldn't call for help.

For me, personally, I won't ever view it as an unselfish act.

Yes, I feel pity, but I've been on the other side, and the resentment has never gone away.
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My mother attempted sucide in front of me when I was 12, and told me that if I loved her, I wouldn't call for help.

For me, personally, I won't ever view it as an unselfish act.

Yes, I feel pity, but I've been on the other side, and the resentment has never gone away.

Ah crap, I don't even know what to say..........other that sucks and I am sorry that it happened.
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