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Old 08-08-2008, 02:06 PM
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That's erm, interesting? I agree that an erection does NOT mean it wasn't a rape/assault. Even little girls that are abused can experience orgasm, and that does not justify abusing it. The body responds to touch. That doesn't mean it isn't traumatic and unwanted.

Um, i didn't post this to turn it into a conversation about women raping men. Women CAN rape men. In this case there was some question if that is what happened. Admittedly it happened in 1978, when women raping men was less accepted. So, we don't know. That's pretty much all there is to it.
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Old 08-08-2008, 02:12 PM
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Note, that although I suspect he claimed outright rape later to avoid reprocussions, this WAS a sexual assault. I just think its possible (and the question was left open) whether he was entirely uncooperative when err . . . well, when it mattered. Which is not the same as saying that he was at all cool with it.
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Old 08-08-2008, 02:52 PM
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After seeing her picture, I have a hard time believing any 19 year old man would be "grinning" at the propect of..relations...with her.
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Old 08-08-2008, 08:00 PM
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I also wanted to add that, personally, I find what allegedly happened repulsive and am sickened that people are laughing at it.

Would it be as funny if the victim was a buddhist monk? Or a Moslim woman? Or is it funny because the man was a Mormon missionary? If it was consensual, why would he bother reporting it in the first place if he was worried about religious repercussions?

It's hard enough that people say women who are raped were "asking for it", or that it was their fault for not taking better precautions against whatever coulda shoulda woulda happened....I think it's pretty dang brave of any man who has been sexually assaulted to come forth and name his attacker, because he's going to face all kinds of public ridicule and people doubting that he is telling the truth. And in this case, it wasn't just because of his gender, it was because of his religion too.

Sorry for the rant. This thread has just been making me sick to the stomach all day so I had to say something about it.
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:35 PM
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I also wanted to add that, personally, I find what allegedly happened repulsive and am sickened that people are laughing at it.

Would it be as funny if the victim was a buddhist monk? Or a Moslim woman? Or is it funny because the man was a Mormon missionary? If it was consensual, why would he bother reporting it in the first place if he was worried about religious repercussions?

It's hard enough that people say women who are raped were "asking for it", or that it was their fault for not taking better precautions against whatever coulda shoulda woulda happened....I think it's pretty dang brave of any man who has been sexually assaulted to come forth and name his attacker, because he's going to face all kinds of public ridicule and people doubting that he is telling the truth. And in this case, it wasn't just because of his gender, it was because of his religion too.

Sorry for the rant. This thread has just been making me sick to the stomach all day so I had to say something about it.
I am NOT laughing at what happened to him. I'm laughing at the sheer surreality of Cloned-Dog Owner Denies She is Actually Mormon Sex Kidnapper. What happened isn't funny. The headline is. Its just so . . . as I said, its like something I pulled out of a hat while drunk. Raping Mormon Missionaries isn't funny. Cloned-dogs aren't very funny. The fact that the woman who just had the first commerical dog clone made is also possibily someone who 30 years about kidnapped a Mormon missionary for the purposes of forcing him to have sex with her is so strange that it IS funny. And, yes, Cloned-Dog Owner Denies being Buddist Monk Rapist, or Cloned Dog Owner DEnies being Catholic Priest Rapist, or Even Cloned-Dog Owner Denies Raping Muslim Woman would still be funny, in the . . "What a WIERD world we live in way." The fact that it was a Mormon Missionary only makes it funnier because women raping men is rare, and raping male Mormon missionaries is pretty darn rare to. Put together the cloned dog, the rapist woman and the missionary, and yes, its funny . . . but NOT because we are insensitive to what happened to that young man.

In fact, let me make that very clear, my fiance's sister is a devout Mormon, who went on a mission (they let girls do that now) and was nearly raped by a prowler in her hotel room. That is NOT funny. At all. It was even less funny that they wouldn't let her call her brother for a month. On the other hand, if it turned out that the man who almost raped her also was having is dog cloned, I would at the very least get a weird expression on my face and go "WTF?"


Nor did I suggest that it was consentual in the normal sense of the word. It is indisputed that he was kidnapped, and tied to a bed against his will. There is, in the article, reported that there is in fact some doubt about what exactly happened next. There is no doubt he was kiddnaped and sexually assulted, but there is some about whether he became, at any point, a willing participant. Frankly, I don't care, and when it happened, it is unlikely a rape charge had a snowballs chance in hell. But, I did observe that if, at some point, he went along with it . . . for whatever reason, if only to escape, or because of biology, or because he thought, "what the hell" he would certainly not say so. That was all I meant to imply. What she did was very, very wrong.
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I also wanted to add that, personally, I find what allegedly happened repulsive and am sickened that people are laughing at it.

Would it be as funny if the victim was a buddhist monk? Or a Moslim woman? Or is it funny because the man was a Mormon missionary? If it was consensual, why would he bother reporting it in the first place if he was worried about religious repercussions?

It's hard enough that people say women who are raped were "asking for it", or that it was their fault for not taking better precautions against whatever coulda shoulda woulda happened....I think it's pretty dang brave of any man who has been sexually assaulted to come forth and name his attacker, because he's going to face all kinds of public ridicule and people doubting that he is telling the truth. And in this case, it wasn't just because of his gender, it was because of his religion too.

Sorry for the rant. This thread has just been making me sick to the stomach all day so I had to say something about it.
I am Mormon, and I think it is most definitely NOT funny that a Mormon missionary was raped, but I also saw no indication that Lilavati or anyone else was laughing about that. I agree that it is really crazy that the woman accused of such a crime was perhaps found because she had her dog cloned, and that and the title of the article did make me laugh.
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Old 08-09-2008, 06:30 PM
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A lot more details are available now, in this article:

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...0.html?cnn=yes

So bizarre.
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A lot more details are available now, in this article:

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...0.html?cnn=yes

So bizarre.

It just gets wierder!
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I am Mormon, and I think it is most definitely NOT funny that a Mormon missionary was raped, but I also saw no indication that Lilavati or anyone else was laughing about that. I agree that it is really crazy that the woman accused of such a crime was perhaps found because she had her dog cloned, and that and the title of the article did make me laugh.
I didn't think Lilavati was laughing at it, but if you read the top half of the second page you will see what I mean.
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Old 08-10-2008, 02:57 AM
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After seeing her picture, I have a hard time believing any 19 year old man would be "grinning" at the propect of..relations...with her.
The last article did say she was a former Miss Wyoming so apparently she wasn't bad looking at some point. She is downright scary in that puppy pic though, and it looks pretty obvious that she is the person that they think she is. Or maybe it's just a weird coincidence that she looks almost exactly like her.
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