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Old 07-25-2005, 04:13 AM
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Its been a whole 50 mins and no one has challenged me. I guess my knowledge IS SUPERIOR!!!!!!!!!!!!
Old 07-25-2005, 05:44 AM
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Me too you truely are the best. lol
Old 07-25-2005, 05:57 AM
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Manchester, I'm sorry for you but I don't see how being so rude and so nasty helps anybody. Yes maybe you have lots of knowledge and I for one would love to learn from you but you gotta be alittle nicer about it. If you have had a bad month then I am sorry for you and I sympathize with your looses, but please don't begrade the others. Not everyone can afford $150 either so saying there's no excuse.. oh yes there is. If my a/c had not been given to me we would not own one. For us $150 is way to much money to spend because it is more important that the kids have food and a place to live. We can't just assume everybody has money to spare and never was it ever suggested that the dog was left outside to broil. I think you read something and somehow got confused and defensive and went to town. Rein in and re think and if you are not willing to do that then I am sorry but I too will just stop reading your posts. That would be a shame as I think you have much to share. It is the way you go about it that the problem arises. Calling someone to stupid to own is a dog is really not a good start but if we are doing this, I would fit into that category because I don't have much knowledge about dogs. Maybe it would be better if everyone just took there dogs to a shelter and had them destroyed. Perhaps that would make you happier. I for one would rather be to stupid and still have my doggy than risk him being put down. Please settle in your ways abit more, it is fine to voice your opinions but constructive criticism is always the best and always means more. Gets people to think more rather than putting them on the defensive. I have tried my best to not turn this into bashing and I must admit I am very angry right now however, bashing will certainly never solve anything. Just have a heart and abit more compassion.
Old 07-25-2005, 06:39 AM
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I feel sad that it has come down to this level of mud slinging!! Manchester may be just a straight talker, I am one of those people who like to be told whats what without all the frills!! This may not suit everybody but what has been said has been said and we should all just move forward from here now! If we can all learn to accommodate each other a bit better I think we'll all get along fine! Please remember that when you are typing it sounds different in your head to how it sounds when it is actually written, Something that sounds totally mild in your head can sound pretty darn harsh on here without all the facial and voice tone changes to back it up!

Ok, Manchester could have been a bit more tactful granted, and she should remember that alot of our members are quite young and need to have the facts woolied out a bit so that they aren't as black and white!! The rest of us could have been a bit more tolerant! We are doing the exact same thing by chewing people out for having an opinion!! This does not make for a happy Louie or forum!

Please lets keep our toys in the pram! Thanks!
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Old 07-25-2005, 08:58 AM
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Well, I don't have anything against manchesters (aside from a brief thread whereupon she basically informed that because my pup was eight weeks he would never learn good bite inhibition, a theory that is ridiculous). I think she may know some, but everybody has differing theories on everything, and I don't believe all of hers are correct. But then again, everybody has some experience to share.
Old 07-25-2005, 09:10 AM
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Well I only read Manchester's post in this thread and I have to agree with lots of it to be honest. Sure, dogs can live without AC, but depending on where you live, if you can't afford it, I don't think you should have dogs either. It's just a matter of good sense, if you won't leave your dog in your car in the sun, you shouldn't leave it in a house that is over 100 degrees either.

I don't personally live in a very hot area, but 2 weeks ago we had a whole week with over 65% of humidity, we lost power for one hour and the dogs were already lethargic and panting a lot. I don't want to imagine what would have happened if the power hadn't come back quick, because the AC in the room made a ton of difference (it's just a window unit).

I've been in arguments about it already too, and I really think that dogs are like children, if you can't afford to take care of them, you shouldn't have any. And that does include being able to pay the vet if there is an emergency (to an extent of course). There are probably just as many irresponsible parents as irresponsible dog owners though unfortunately. I've been flamed for it, but so be it.

In the defense of Manchester though, I've seen so many irresponsible and stupid owners, I don't think it's that surprising if people assume right away that most owners just don't know what they are doing. Even if they post on forums - seriously, I've seen people post things like 'my dog is bleeding a lot, what should I do?' or stories of people crying because they left their dogs outside, one escaped, then the other escaped too a day later because they obviously didn't make sure the second one couldn't escape like the first one did. Seriously, I'm often at a loss for words for this kind of stupidity. Thanksfully it doesn't happen much at all here.

Besides, we all do it to an extent... If you say that your dog is jumping on people, you'll have 10 other posts saying that you should train him/socialize him etc. In my case, nevermind that I've spent 5 months so far trying to fix it, and nothing has worked, and when I got that kind of replies I got really upset, because he's pretty well trained otherwise, and very socialized. But I guess it's normal, people here don't know the others and just assume right away that you are not an experienced owner. It might not be the same tone than Manchester uses, but it's really not that different.
Old 07-25-2005, 09:24 AM
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If you want your dog to stop jumping on people, there is a very simple solution (NO------NOT cutting the legs off the dog!) Get people to come over as often as possible, and do all they can to entice the dog to jump up on them---without actually TELLING the dog to do so.....if ya get my drift. After the dog has hopped up, have the person grab the front feet and hold them while tapping lightly on the back toes of the dog. DO NOT LET GO OF THE FRONT PAWS. Wait until the dog is begging to be let down. A few sessions of that and you won't be able to get the dog to jump up on a person for a bet!!!!

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Old 07-25-2005, 09:24 AM
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I guess you all are right.

I am sorry for my previous post.

I will be leaving for I do not wish to put up with nonsense.

I held my tongue, for many posts. And when I did say what I felt

it was too harsh.

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Old 07-25-2005, 09:29 AM
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Please find any post where I discussed bite inhibition? What I most likely did say was that puppies are not physically, mentally or emotionally prepared to leave their home, parents and siblings before at least 10 weeks of age. This is NOT my personal opinion---this is the FACT as discovered by thousands of those of us who breed and raise, and instill behavior into puppies.

And I probably also said that from the age of 8-10 weeks, puppies learn to be dogs, as taught by their dam and siblings. The difference is I KNOW what I am talking about based not just on my experience with hundreds of pups over the years, but the experiences of thousands of other top breeders in the country.

And no responsible breeder will place any puppy earlier than 10 weeks of age!

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Old 07-25-2005, 09:38 AM
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I personally have never met a trainer who has ever intentionally bought a pup over eight weeks of age, as by that time the all important socialisation window is closing. Between eight and twelve weeks I try to socialise my pups to everything ranging from horses to babies, umbrellas to bagpipes. I HAVE to do this because I train service dogs for people with disabilities. I don't much care how many "thousands" of people agree upon such a "fact". I have bought all my pups at eight weeks and never had a single aggression or socialisation problem with them. The same goes for nearly every trainer I know.
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