Borzoi vs Deerhound

[Romy]

Originally Posted by Boemy

Whoa, I didn't know that! So if the dog gets cancer or something else that requires operation, what happens? Is there an alternative?

Not really. There is one university that does DNA tests to screen them and see which are carriers, so you can find out whether your dog has it or not. Unfortunately, if it does have the factor you just can never put them under. I guess if it broke a leg or something the vet would just have to use a local and try to have it fixed as fast as possible? Cancer is a big problem with them. The breeder we were going to get a pup from just lost an entire litter at 7 years old, all within 6 months of each other to bone cancer. With osteosarcoma, about all you can do is amputate the affected leg and hope it gives them an extra year or two if you catch it soon enough.

[borzoimom]

What university Romy? I had not heard that either..
And do you know what is involved to do the test?

[TheGoldenRetriever]

Originally Posted by Romy

As far as training sighthounds, it seems like it's up to the individual dog rather than breeds as a whole.

^^^ Very true regarding sighthounds.

One sibling had two Afghans, both from puppies. One was easily trained and not nearly as aloof as their reputation, he could be independent at times but as a general rule he liked everybody. Intelligent and a wonderful dog. The second one was difficult to train, seemed dumb as a box of rocks, never was 100% reliable on housebreaking, and had some temperament problems. Puppies were from different sources, but both from reportedly "good lines".

[Psyfalcon]

This thread picked up, good

I am terrible at setting on even a type of dog, so its a while off, maybe several years really.

I really like seeing them run so various coursing type things maybe even ball chasing if I can convince one that its prey I do however end up on pretty snowy hikes a few times a year. Its not the cold I'm worried about with a saluki, its the 40F and raining in Portland and hikes through 2 feet of snow.

Thats one thing about Buster I like, he has a very husky like coat, he does not get cold easily, and it takes several minutes for snow to melt off of him. I don't think any sighthound will be that insulated, but its pretty important to be able to handle some of it- the potty breaks at least, if not the winter backpacking!.

I think I'd go purebred though to keep lure coursing more accessible. Around here hares are considered a pest species with no closed season though. I wouldn't really want to do Coyote though. Now... if coursing Pronghorn was ever made legal, I would need to find myself a cheetah!

[Romy]

We take Strider backpacking in the deep snow in the Black Hills (in WA state). He actually handled the cold better than the chubby shepherd in the pics with him. Deerhounds are really good with cold and rain too, remember they're from Scotland!

He's a wannabe search and rescue dog.


This is what happens when you step in a hole at 35 mph


I wish we had access to deep snow all the time. His muscles would be awesome. He ran non-stop like this for hours.


I'm e-mailing that deerhound breeder again to get the name of the U that tests for FVII, she told us once and now I forget, I think it's OSU...but will find out for sure.

[Pops2]

ufymich
my dog is a blend of saluki & greyhound. he has caught squirrel, rabbit, raccoon, oppossum, feral cat, deer & wild boar. his sisters have also taken fox, coyote & bobcat.

Psyfalcon
you don't need a cheetah. pronghorns have a great top end but poor endurance. they could be (and in the past were) taken w/ stags, coldbloods, deerhound, borzoi & saluki. all of them are bred more for endurance than top end and can outlast most prairie goats at 40MPH. don't worry about the saluki. mine dove into a pond in a utah winter w/o any ill affects.

[ufimych]

My three Saluki live outside a year around in Virginia climate. I provided them with a good doghouses with hay bedding, when weather is cold. My dogs are very happy, living this way, because they love to hunt. I use them as vermin killers. Two times a day, when chickens are in the barn, I turn the dogs loose and they roam nearby woods and fields, chasing away and, sometimes catching and killing foxes or raccoons. I do not need to wash the dogs or their feet to get them ready on the couch and they do not need it. They love hunting. When time to run is approaching, they are barking and making other noises in anticipation of the hunt. I feed them raw meats, especially venison, when hunting season arrives. Virginia climate is mild enough for the Saluki.

[ufimych]

When I was looking for a right sighthound breed for the hunting purpose in Virginia, I was reading and asking owners of the Deerhound, the Borzoi, the Wippet and other breeds. First, it was hard to find owners of these breeds, which had first hand knowledge about their hunting abilities or at least what one can expect, if the dog allowed off leash to run free. One of them on South Carolina purchased a pair of Deerhound pups for $1000 each. Next year, when they grew up, the male chased something and never came back. The female survived for a longer time. He attempted to breed her one time and she gave birth to one puppy, because she had some hereditary malfunction. Borzoi owners warned me that these dogs can be prone to kill small dogs and farm animals, tend to run too far and for too long and get lost and, because they run so fast, they can hit fences, trees and other objects and break their legs. Even when running on a fresh plaughed filed, they can hurt their legs. Whippet owners kept their dogs only inside, on the couch and had no idea what would happen, if the dog would allowed off leash in no fenced area. This is how I found good Saluki in their home country, where they live off leash most of the time and routinely used for hunting. Saluki never hit objects, when hunting, use their noses, when searching for game and can hunt on the open or in the woods. Besides, in a mild climate, like here, in Virginia, they can live outse a year around. Just supply them with well insulted doghouses with plenty of hay. The Saluki is an aboriginal breed with brains to survive and hunt. Of course, I am writing about aboriginal origin Saluki, not show fancy strains, which possibly became big toy breeds just like many other formerly good hunting breeds.

[Pops2]

ufimych
the saluki isn't a super dog, far from it. they have low trainability, aren't especially cleanly and are very hit or miss on performance and drive. that being said the two easiest pure breeds to find GOOD SOLID working dogs from are coldblood greys & saluki, the next easiest would be Borzoi, whippet & deerhound, bringing up the rear w/a line or two that is really worked would be the Irish, hotblood grey, ibizan & pharoah. i've never heard of a working afghan in the USA. as far as injury goes, ALL sighthounds have a chance of injury when running full out and they don't even have to hit anything. if you truly hunt a lot it's not a question of if but when one will get hurt.

[ufimych]

Borzoimam, I am very excited knowing that your Borzois have a chance to hunt. My three Saluki run every day. The female goes in a day time, when chickens are walking free. She is 100% reliable with goats and chickens. Males go in early morning and every evening, when chickens are in the barn. One of my males is very eager to catch them. I do not treat my dogs harshly, but he seems still does not understand that I do not like it.