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Old 07-15-2008, 08:40 AM
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Red would have a waiting list .
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Red would have a waiting list .
I have never known a breeder that had every litter completely spoken for. Sometimes a litter is too big, sometimes other people just aren't interested in the breeding. I know breeders that keep pups for a long time until they find a good home. I see nothing wrong with that versus waiting to breed until you have a good long waiting list.

I think it's a fallacy that breeders HAVE to have a waiting list. Beau's litter was basically sold before he was born, Hiro's litter still isn't completely sold.

So long as the homes are screened thoroughly and all dogs are eventually found their home then I have no problems.

That said, I just wouldn't go off of a newspaper ad after having gone that route before. Maybe if I see the ad then can find a website and the website checked out.
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Old 07-15-2008, 09:01 AM
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You know when the mag advertisers call they are astounded when you say listen bud im sold out dont need to place a add... So i give them tel #'s of backyard breeders who place online adds on puppyfind and say listen help them get a add pls .

Point is once the pups are bred they need a home done they?
So newspapers are the only way to get a add out within a time frame they can be sold.
magazines are 3 months behind..

This will be the first year I wont take out any adds with teh price of gas I cant afford to spend 200 on a ego add to annoy the other breeders stuck with pups.

Show breeders can be snobby but all people who show are not. I dont sell pups at shows I dont market them as show dogs or pets, First and foremost if u want a CASD u want a guardian dog to protect period.

Some of us show our dogs 3-5 times a year to keep the reg UKC aware we are here and our dogs are amendable to handling.

Some backyard breeders say we dont show cause we have the real deal dogs that want to eat everyone - That is out of standard.

A good breeder xrays- shows a little - works a little and temperament tests and or studies ALLOT.

These breeders use boards to market their dogs not better than papers.
And Mags as ive said are haven to commercial breeders that some turn into millers.

So all of you are rigth to one degree it is how the breeders chooses buyers.
And all of us have personal opinions, I dont like newspapers dont make all breeders bad who take out a add.

Someone should post a questionare for the newbie breeders and or buyers to ask when calls do come in that would make more of a difference then saying who should do what.

If someone can print a online coupon to go to a store they sure as buckus can print what to ask your breeder - what to as your buyer.

I have a different one due to the nature of a CASD which is not a pet.
So I cant post mine which is kinda rough and intrusive.
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Old 07-15-2008, 09:08 AM
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Even with large litters I didn't have to advertise .
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Well im sorry if you breed a breed of dog that is med/lge dog that has average 6-10 pups.
And you do not have the kennel space to keep all pups to maturity.
You better have a waiting list.
Cause that is where dogs wind up in rescue or give away or impulse sales occurs.
Pre selling gives you months to get to know the person.

I have refused to sell people even after they sent in a dep.\
They appear normal at first sweet and kind and say all the rigth things.
Than 2 Months later pups are due and you here " oh fence is not up yet"
How hard can they bite? can they kill a dog

So TIME between applying and buying does help weed out some of the fakers.
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:10 AM
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Red would have a waiting list .
Grammy.. that wasn't my question, and you know it. It has NOTHING to do with a waiting list. Say she DID have a waiting list and she advertisd. Would that make her a bad breeder? Say she had one and people didn't want pups anymore and she advertised? Say she DIDN'T have a waiting list, since, duh, she breeds for herself first and foremost, and she advertised?

The point of my post isn't about Red, or even about waiting lists (which I think are great but often unnecessary) It's that is you have an otherwise GOOD or EXCELLENT breeder and they ADVERTISE it makes them automatically bad? WTF.
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:19 AM
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What I dont understand is why this thread and the others turn into Me I or SHE?

It is not that IM a better breeder or HBH isnt or anyone else here for that matter.

It is the fact that MOST breeders who advertise in Newspapers are NOT ethical period end of sentence.

Its time to look past our online friendships, out of our own yards , away from the love of a dog we may of gotten from a newspaper and look at the needs of the many vs the needs of us FEW here.

Think about the novice breeders witout mentors reading this in years to come.
Think about the novice buyers who think their chances are good for finding a pet via a add on a newpaper.

We should base our opinion on the few 1-2 breeders here on Chaz that are good and use newspapers vs the hundreds in each of our papers today?

Sorry I think we should worry more about the dogs and pups and less about the people breeding them.
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:35 AM
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Actually, I'm in the camp of "give the novices the INFORMATION THEY NEED to make intelligent decisions." I don't think we should tell them "ZOMG! Ur puppy sucks! U went to bad breeder!" just because they found their breeder through an ad. I think we should ask about the QUALITY of the puppies first, and then make our decisions.


And no, it's not about any specific breeder. I was using Red as an example. It's about crappy generalizations. BLACKLISTING breeders who advertise. Saying they are bad. Insulting their breeding practices. While I agree with you that most newspaper ads (I would be 80-99% of them have BAD breeders) aren't great, you still can get good dogs from them now and then. Im not suggesting anyone looks in their newspaper for a puppy - it would practically be futile, IMO, but I'm against saying that breeders who advertise suck. That is DIFFERENT than me saying go look in the newspaper for your next puppy. It is me saying that that sort of exclusion is UNFAIR towards the FEW good breeders who DO advertise. Do you see what I'm saying, PM? It's not about whether or not msot of the breeders who advertise in the paper are bad, which, frankly, is TRUE. I agree with you there. It is about me saying not to dismiss an otherwise GOOD breeder who has advertised. For instance, I believe you said that you have advertised once in the past yourself? I wouldn't dismiss you because of that. I think you are an excellent breeder, and buying some words in the paper does not guarantee the quality of your puppies will drop.
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Old 07-15-2008, 12:06 PM
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Actually, I'm in the camp of "give the novices the INFORMATION THEY NEED to make intelligent decisions." I don't think we should tell them "ZOMG! Ur puppy sucks! U went to bad breeder!" just because they found their breeder through an ad. I think we should ask about the QUALITY of the puppies first, and then make our decisions.

While I agree with you that most newspaper ads (I would be 80-99% of them have BAD breeders) aren't great, you still can get good dogs from them now and then. Im not suggesting anyone looks in their newspaper for a puppy - it would practically be futile, IMO, but I'm against saying that breeders who advertise suck. Do you see what I'm saying, PM? It's not about whether or not msot of the breeders who advertise in the paper are bad, which, frankly, is TRUE. I agree with you there. For instance, I believe you said that you have advertised once in the past yourself? I wouldn't dismiss you because of that. I think you are an excellent breeder, and buying some words in the paper does not guarantee the quality of your puppies will drop.
Well I cut and paste to shorten the above.

First: This thread and the other one was about bad breeders NOT good breeders. Thus to stay on topic what you said and I said is TRUE most breeders in papers are NOT ethical. The odds you list are horrible thou true.
Why advise anyone to try the paper? its like saying heh you dont have a job go to a casino and take a chance with you last 20.00.

Yet this turned into defense of one breeder who is here and then it turned into he or me or she says or does..

So I really dont understand why we need to help the few good breeders over the many bad.? Cause good breeders simply do NOT need any help.
happy buyers be from the net the paper or referrals are just that HAPPY!

Its the bad breeders that need attention to educate buyers not to buy from them..

2nd: NO I have NOT advertised in a Newspaper.

No I dont feel the need too and if I choose too for any reason in the future.
I persononally have enough confidence not to feel my ego was being bruised if people who did NOT know me said" heh dont buy from papers'.

When I attended a 2k walk athon this past weekend for the SPCA I did not try to sell my breed or pups I advised all to seek the shelter dogs .
So im sorry my way of thinking is again for the needs of the many vs the needs or a few.

Because the odds are very low to get a good dog from this type of advertising.

And I care more about the thousands of unwanted dogs and pups vs the few good ones found by adds via a good breeder.

And I would Not attack anyone based on just one add vs lack of OFA work show adding to rescues breeding unwanted dogs.
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Old 07-15-2008, 12:11 PM
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I'm sorry about that - I thought it was you who said you advertised once.

I think, for the most part, the two of us agree on this topic wholeheartedly - we just have different ways of expressing it. I'll stop derailing your thread now.
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