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Old 07-14-2008, 11:27 AM
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Im sorry if you are showing working and proving your dogs and are active in the breed and do not breed allot.

THe pups sell themselves.. Many of the top breeders with long standing in the dog community dont even had adds or some not even sites.
Word of mouth, and a website , a active dog community does it.

Winning Best in SHow does not equate come buy my dogs.
Unless all you breeding is for show and that is another topic/

Networking , return sales, good PR and a good work ethic makes for sales.
Health testing , temperament testing showcasing stable dogs correct to the standard even at PET events generates sales..

And the best part is your happy buyers make for sales online by saying heh look who I got a dog from. Same way unhappy buyers can hurt you.
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Old 07-14-2008, 11:31 AM
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LOL riiight. Sorry...ads do not a bad breeder make any more than lack of make a good one. One dimesional catch all's for something as complicated as placing puppies...where breed makes a whole lot of difference seems a bit of an exercise in stereotyping to me.
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Old 07-14-2008, 11:38 AM
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Stero typing is not the same = example I come from Brooklyn not all race people are this or that is NOT the same as the BUSINESS of breeding DOGS.

FACTS PROVE IT.

I am going to do a survey on the Buffalo News Sunday Pet Adds.
I am going to go thru EVERY add and post the results .

And when I do I have not doubt I will find more than 1-2 breeders out of 100 with OFA results = show title and or working titles. Let alone temperament understanding of guardian breeds.

I will be doing the guard dogs first molosser fci group 2 working dogs since I am a expert on them and not little dogs.

I will post the results on another thread.

And the point is my first CAS came from a backyard breeder later turned miller who took out adds as well. Difference is I dont put my love of my dog into the facts that most dogs from adds are from backyard breeders.

She is a Best in Show = Canadian USA Champion GDC Hips and elbow dog.
Dont make up for her breeder being a bad breeder..
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Old 07-14-2008, 11:52 AM
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If that floats your little, red boat go right ahead...

BTW...I actually never said "most" breeders who do ads or not...are anything. That would be you...

I said I had found good homes thru an ad...and actually...all the survey'ing in the world...doesn't change that at all or make it untrue. So have at it

BTW...placing an ad...and responding to one...are IMO very different. One gives you a ton of control while the other might end you up in a situation where your heart makes a decision your head would not. So for the record...on this thread...I am addressing the idea of breeders PLACING ads.
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Old 07-14-2008, 12:03 PM
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All power too you point is these forums are read by active puppy buyers.
And they are kept forever.
They are also read by newbie novice breeders who need advice.

And the FACT is most should NEVER buy from a Newspaper Add.

And the fact that you may be a great breeder is the exceptions to the rule NOT the rule itself.

And for the record I am thinking out of the box and in regards to this THREAD which was about " bad breeders" not good breeders or you or anyone who got a ODD good pup from the newspaper.

I think of all the sad cases and not focus on the few good.
Because this will deter some from buying from a add.

Personally think all that breed should be required by law to take back every dog they bred if need be. That would dry up 95% of all adds and leave the few good ones.
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Old 07-14-2008, 12:54 PM
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Actually, it seems like locally- I'm in Gina's area- we *do* have good breeders who advertise in the papers. They're outnumbered by the bad, but they ARE out there. Mal's breeder advertised his litter in the paper in addition to in the local collie club news because she got more smooths than anticipated- had a LONG waiting list for roughs, but only (I think?) two homes wanting smooths.
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Old 07-14-2008, 01:09 PM
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Actually, it seems like locally- I'm in Gina's area- we *do* have good breeders who advertise in the papers. They're outnumbered by the bad, but they ARE out there. Mal's breeder advertised his litter in the paper in addition to in the local collie club news because she got more smooths than anticipated- had a LONG waiting list for roughs, but only (I think?) two homes wanting smooths.
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I may take a UKC add if I get more pups than expected next year.
Or even take out adds in the same paper that has more bad breeders.
But the add will cost me a ton cause I dont want the average buyer who reads those papers wasting my time.

Also some great breeders take time off from breeding but still keep a add going in magazines and they sometimes take out adds online to say okay this year we have a litter due such and such.

My add would start with " fencing required no exceptions".

And after reading all those threads I did get educated and I do feel better one day If I need to take out a newspaper add it wont be that bad.

But when I do work at the aspca I still would always tell the average joe DO not buy from a news paper.
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Old 07-14-2008, 03:11 PM
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Well I agree w/ HBH. Just because a breeder advertises does not make it a bad breeder. If everything else is on par, who cares if they took out a newspaper ad?
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Old 07-14-2008, 03:32 PM
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Well advertising has many levels and I think we learned any good breeder can do anything they want mags- even local trade sheets.

Newpaper adds typically have the worse of the worse.

With few exceptions.

So HBH advertising was not the topic of the thread or the issue.
It was many of these pls help me posts with things that go wrong come from uneducated people buying from these adds or worse yet pet stores ) who also advertise in newspapers.

News papers do not have limits or rules about advertising.
One add today had over 20 breeds.
Magazines are a tad bit better since they limit the breeds and will suspend thouse convicted .

Some multi breed website are better than others.
Even Chaz had a convicted dog figther r listed does NOt make the website a bad one..

I guess im OLD I was taugth you are judged by the company you keep.
So I prefer to take adds out about me in Catalogs like UKC Premier, Rare breed issues.
UKC bloodlines requires you to provide PROOF of anything you write.

I wont even advertise in Puppies USA cause it promotes implulse buying on cute pup pics.
And I dont want the type of custumers who would buy from a newspaper my breed.
We get tons of rescues in rare breeds from these 'rare adds" .
Maybe that is not so for other breeds I will reserve my opinion.
2 Lines in add is simply not enough.

So point is advertising on a bathroom wall would NOt make you a bad breeder.
Bad breeders make bad breeders.
But they seem to prefer newspaper adds .Thus the chance of finding a good dog from a good breeder is far less in a newspaper _than starting with the breed club for referrals and education.

And informing the novice public that they can find good dogs or good breeders that easy in newspapers is wrong and is doing a injustice.
The odds are stacked againest them and they need to know that.
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Old 07-15-2008, 08:32 AM
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By simply telling people not to buy puppies from newspaper ads, you actually do a disservice to both JQP and to good breeders. JQP isn't going to the dog shows to meet the people who are breeding, JQP isn't involved in the clubs to find out who has puppies, JQP is searching the internet and reading ads in the paper.

As Gina pointed out, a good breeder advertising on the web sites and in the paper puts that good breeder within reach of JQP.

It also would be far better to tell buyers what to look for and what questions to ask and what red flags to be aware of regardless of where the breeder advertised. It would be better to educate newbie breeders on what to screen for when talking with prospective buyers.

There are bad breeders everywhere. There are bad breeders who don't advertise and who are active in the clubs and the shows. A buyer who thinks that someone who is recommended by a breed club must be good, a buyer who thinks that just because they didn't advertise they must be good is at a huge disadvantage.
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