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Old 06-16-2008, 11:33 PM
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I do everything I can. A conformation Ch. is important to me. I show in conformation to learn from others, see other dogs, evaluate other dogs against the standard, and have my dogs evaluated by a trained, unbiased eye. I want to keep the working ACD in the show ring. I want to keep the show ACD in the working arena. To me, they are one and the same. The standard was written with a solid working dog in mind. ANY ACD who can herd (and do it well) all day, can finish in AKC conformation. There should not be a split, and so far, I don't see one.

I do other sports to prove the working ability and biddability of my dogs. All types of dog sports (conformation included) prove temperament. Like Redyre said, an unstable dog is not going to be able to handle the stress of traveling and showing in different venues. I do not do herding. I would have to drive a min of 3 hrs one way to the closest trainer. With gas nearing the $4/gallon mark, I can't feasably do it. When I went to nationals I had both of my girls do the HIC and both passed with flying colors. I refuse to send them out to a herding trainer because I have been a part of each and every title so far and I don't want to change that. I would love to do herding more than anything, but right now I have to stick to other sport events.

Health testing is very important to me. I want healthy dogs. I want my dogs to live well into the teen years and be sturdy and strong until the end. I do every test that is common to my breed and only breed when the dog/bitch has passed all of them.

Showing is not a brag or just a title. It's a tribute to the dog. It shows everyone else out there that while I think my dogs are great, obviously someone else did too. That my dogs were good enough to earn titles and that they deserve to be in a breeding program, or in some cases, prove that their parents were good producers. Yes, it takes time and money, but IMO, the only way to learn and better your breeding program is to get out there and prove them.
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:28 AM
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I would have no problem with people with true working dogs not titling their dogs. But so many don't have true working dogs -- herders, hunters, etc -- so the presence of titles sets the men apart from the boys, in a manner of speaking. Wannabes will come up with an excuse as to why they can't do something, or speak rather indignantly of the injustice of snobby show breeders. But people who are serious about breeding will do something to assure themselves that they're putting only the best genes back into the pool.
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:13 AM
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Hey, Grammy, there are exceptions to EVERY rule, and I think you were one when you were breeding your Goldies.



This has been a very interesting discussion, and I have enjoyed reading all the replies.
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:24 AM
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I would have no problem with people with true working dogs not titling their dogs. But so many don't have true working dogs -- herders, hunters, etc -- so the presence of titles sets the men apart from the boys, in a manner of speaking. Wannabes will come up with an excuse as to why they can't do something, or speak rather indignantly of the injustice of snobby show breeders. But people who are serious about breeding will do something to assure themselves that they're putting only the best genes back into the pool.
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Old 06-17-2008, 09:11 AM
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Me Personally I think titles are important but health (mental and physical) are the most important.

I think they should have titles for heath (kinda sorta do with CHIC). I think it would be great if your dog would get a "Title" for each generation it has made it without genetic disease. For example if your dog has 5 generations behind him without HD or any similar problem then they would get the "Golden Gene" or GG title.

I think that would make people a lot more careful about breedings IMHO. I think it would be great thing for dogs in general if we used all the genetic knowledge we have to make our "Best Friend" as healthy as possible.
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Old 06-17-2008, 09:43 AM
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"What Is A Title Really?"
Not just a brag, not just a stepping stone to a higher title, not just an adjunct to competitive scores. A title is a tribute to a dog that bears it, a way to honour the dog, an ulitmate memorial. It will remain in the record and in the memory for about as long as anything in this world can remain. Few humans will do as well or better in that regard. And though the dog himself doesn't know or care that his achievements have been noted, a title says many things in the world of humans, where such things count.

A title says your dog was intelligent, and adaptable, and good-natured. It says that your dog loved you enough to do the things that please you, however crazy they may have sometimes seemed.

And a title says that you loved your dog, that you loved to spend time with him, because he was a good dog, and you believed in him enough to give him another chance when he failed, and that in the end your faith was justified.

A title proves that your dog inspired you to have the special relationship enjoyed by so few, that in a world for disposable creatures, this dog with a title was greatly loved, and loved greatly in return.

And when that dear short life is over, the title remains as a memorial of the finest kind, the best you can give to a deserving friend, volumes of praise in one small set of initials before or after the name.

A title is nothing less than love and respect, given and received permanently.

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Old 06-17-2008, 10:56 AM
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Someone said: So, if it is not about showing and titling and proving dogs in the Breed and obedience rings, and producing get that can and do win as well, then what IS it about?
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Politics. Your a perfect example of how democracy wins in the show ring. JMO.
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Old 06-17-2008, 12:05 PM
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Politics. Your a perfect example of how democracy wins in the show ring. JMO.
Yeah, well your JMO, isn't worth much is it, considering that you don't do anything with your dogs. Have you yet to step into any kind of ring or working field, let alone Title?
How can you comment on the politics of the show ring or anything that relates to competing with dogs when you don't have first hand experience???
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Old 06-17-2008, 02:17 PM
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Politics. Your a perfect example of how democracy wins in the show ring. JMO.
And what exactly does this mean, Melissa Cato?

Are you saying that my dog did not earn her Championship or obedience titles fair and square?

Are you accusing me of cheating?

Are you insinuating that the judges that awarded my dog Championship points, or scored her in Obedience are not good judges?

Do you have something to say about my High In Trial scores? Or my top ten ranking in the ARC Novice stats for the first quarter of 2006?

The Breed show ring is no democracy, it is an AUTOCRACY, with the judge in charge of what happens. In the obedience ring as well as the breed ring, dogs technically do not compete against each other, but against a perfect score or the breed standard.

So tell us, Melissa Cato, exactly what you mean by your above statement, because I, for one, would like to know.
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Old 06-17-2008, 02:50 PM
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So, if it is not about showing and titling and proving dogs in the Breed and obedience rings, and producing get that can and do win as well, then what IS it about?

Anyone?
I think it is an important thing. But another thing is tempermant, health, and loving the breed. Winning and breeding very-high-quality-show-winning pups is a huge part of it. So I don't agree with that quote AT ALL.
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