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Old 05-09-2008, 08:36 AM
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Justice for abuse is good.. I support it.

Unfortunately, we have learned from experience that justice for actual and real cases of abuse is not your only motovation. Nor are the solutions you offer always particularly helpful, or even relevant, to preventing or punishing abuse.

I sincerely hope that the person who did this is punished. I hope the surviving dogs recover and find good homes. Give me a link to a reputable charity where I can be certain that the money will go to helping these dogs, and I'll write a check.

But there's no larger "cause" here . . . only tragedy and the need for justice. These pictures don't mean that mushing is bad, or keeping dogs outside is bad, or anything except that the person who did this is a vile excuse for a human being.

Please do not turn these poor dogs into propaganda . . . they are real, suffering animals. They need help. They deserve justice. But they stand for nothing but themselves.
This was eloquently stated. Could never have said it any better. Thanks.
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Old 05-09-2008, 08:39 AM
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Justice for abuse is good.. I support it.

Unfortunately, we have learned from experience that justice for actual and real cases of abuse is not your only motovation. Nor are the solutions you offer always particularly helpful, or even relevant, to preventing or punishing abuse.

I sincerely hope that the person who did this is punished. I hope the surviving dogs recover and find good homes. Give me a link to a reputable charity where I can be certain that the money will go to helping these dogs, and I'll write a check.

But there's no larger "cause" here . . . only tragedy and the need for justice. These pictures don't mean that mushing is bad, or keeping dogs outside is bad, or anything except that the person who did this is a vile excuse for a human being.

Please do not turn these poor dogs into propaganda . . . they are real, suffering animals. They need help. They deserve justice. But they stand for nothing but themselves.


Absolutely. There are thousands of instances like this with other breeds of dogs, particularly PitDogs. There's a horrible case in the next county over to me, that frankly and tragically, makes those pitiful sled dogs look well fed

This bears repeating, again, because it IS what matters:

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But there's no larger "cause" here . . . only tragedy and the need for justice. These pictures don't mean that mushing is bad, or keeping dogs outside is bad, or anything except that the person who did this is a vile excuse for a human being.

Please do not turn these poor dogs into propaganda . . . they are real, suffering animals. They need help. They deserve justice. But they stand for nothing but themselves
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Old 05-09-2008, 08:42 AM
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Old 05-09-2008, 10:18 AM
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"My system broke down and I was just in the process of getting it back up again," he said.

That system is clearly flawed, even for Bartko. His food supply has been rotted salmon heads.
What system?? A feeding system? How does a system of going out and putting food in bowls every day break down? Sounds like he had some sort of automated system for feeding and no back up plan. I am confused here.
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Old 05-10-2008, 11:13 AM
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WASILLA -- Acting on complaints, the Matanuska-Susitna Borough Animal Care took in 25 emaciated dogs this week from two properties on Lazy Mountain, east of Palmer.
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Many of Doug Bartko's dogs are so thin and dehydrated they needed intravenous fluids before they could stomach food, according to Patty Sullivan, borough public affairs director.

Bartko, who calls himself a recreational musher, was cited for five counts of interference with an investigation and 10 counts of failure to provide humane animal care.

He was also served notice that his kennel license could be revoked and that the borough intends to keep the seized animals. More charges are pending, including possible cruelty charges.

"This has turned into a nightmare," Bartko said from his home Wednesday. "I've been under some financial stress."

He said he had friends in Anchorage who had been giving him frozen fish for his dogs, about a ton once or twice a month. But he said his truck broke down and he was unable to get the fish.

"I had some fish and some commercial food," he said. "But I was down for about three weeks and some dogs dropped weight."

Officers contacted Bartko on Friday, but he refused to let them inspect the dogs, according to the borough. The officers left dog food with Bartko.

"I was appreciative of that," Bartko said. "I thought they were trying to work with me."

Monday the officers returned to Bartko's home on Lazy Mountain Drive with a search warrant and removed the dogs. They reported finding 12 malnourished dogs and three dead dogs that were tossed over an embankment on the property. The officers also found evidence that other dogs had been recently removed.

"I took some dogs to a different location to give them some care," Bartko said. "I didn't want to show them the remote place. They just did a hit job on me. There was some distrust there, I guess."

TIP LEADS TO MORE DOGS:

A tip Tuesday led officers to another property off Wolverine Road where a dead dog was seen being removed, according to Sullivan. Nine dogs were seized there. All were emaciated, dehydrated and many had injuries.

Tuesday, officers tried to contact Bartko at his residence and found four more emaciated and dehydrated dogs.

The 25 husky-mix dogs are under veterinary care for a variety of untreated injuries, as well as dehydration, malnutrition and parasites, according to the borough. The cause of death for the one dog is under investigation.

Bartko, whose family he said has run dogs since the 1970s, was convicted in 2006 of animal cruelty. He said that conviction was a mistake because the dog was dying of cancer and not malnourished.

"We had her out front and were just saying our last goodbyes. Trying to make her comfortable."

He said the same relative who turned him this time, turned him in in 2006 as well.

Calls to the animal shelter Wednesday evening were not returned.
source: ADN

If anyone would like to make donations or lend support to the overburdened shelter (see article regarding) caring for these dogs. (detailed information removed - Mod)
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Oy. If that article is correct that guy sounds like a POS. It's not animal cruelty if the dog died of cancer? WTF? Get the dog some VET CARE. And if you are so broke you can't feed 30ish dogs, give them to a shelter... I'd like to just say get an effing JOB because it didn't take them a week to get emaciated, but then again I don't know what the availability of jobs is like in AK.
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Justice for abuse is good.. I support it.

Unfortunately, we have learned from experience that justice for actual and real cases of abuse is not your only motovation. Nor are the solutions you offer always particularly helpful, or even relevant, to preventing or punishing abuse.

I sincerely hope that the person who did this is punished. I hope the surviving dogs recover and find good homes. Give me a link to a reputable charity where I can be certain that the money will go to helping these dogs, and I'll write a check.

But there's no larger "cause" here . . . only tragedy and the need for justice. These pictures don't mean that mushing is bad, or keeping dogs outside is bad, or anything except that the person who did this is a vile excuse for a human being.

Please do not turn these poor dogs into propaganda . . . they are real, suffering animals. They need help. They deserve justice. But they stand for nothing but themselves.
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Old 05-10-2008, 02:16 PM
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Just found another particularly horrific tidbit in another news article:

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The dogs were near death when Mat-Su Animal Control got to them. All of the animals were severely dehydrated. Some had ropes grown into their neck. Others were covered in cuts and lice.
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Just found another particularly horrific tidbit in another news article:
While I agree that this is pretty horrible, I do wish you didn't post it with the underlying implication that it's related to sled dogs. If these dogs had been in somebody's basement and were toy poodles and had never heard of a sled, you wouldn't have paid any attention. But put them on a sled team or on a tether and now summitview takes notice.

This is a case of animal cruelty. Period.
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