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Old 05-06-2008, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Maxy24 View Post
Not to offend, but she almost certainly did come from one. No good breeder in their right mind would let some store sell their puppies for them to people they do not meet or allow their pups to live their lives in a pet store cage. You are lucky she is healthy and has avoided the maggot diseases, parvo and distemper, she may end up being perfectly healthy but she may end up with genetic health problems once she is an adult. I hope she stays in good health though, I know many do.
Very true. Breeds that have breeders code ethics that breeder have to sign will stipulate that you NEVER sell your pups to a pet store. NO good breeder will ever dog that.

Don't feel too bad about it, many of us chaz members got dogs from pet stores before we realized where they came from, and that dogs from good breeders are almost always cheaper!

Personally I would never hold a pup down, its a VERY serious threat. Dogs tend to only do it when they intend serious harm to the other. (as in maim and or kill) Some mother dogs seem to be able to do this with pups, but usually its the pup offering the belly roll to the mom and freezing vs the mom actually pinning the dog.
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Old 05-06-2008, 10:11 PM
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Yeah, i just watched some of the videos about those since the topic was brought up.. and now i feel horrible for supporting something like that. Layla is an adorable pup but i can't even imagine what her family went through. I hope she stays in good health like she has now.. and continues to react positively to my training efforts.

And i didn't know that that position was considered a threatening position. I was just reading about it as a disciplinary action, but nothing more. I definitely will not continue to do it then (Though i've only tried it once). It seems that the only discipline i can give her is saying no and puting her in her crate. I dont like the idea of spraying water in her face either.

Oh and Maxy24, Thanks for all your advice and i'll definitely try turning my back next time. As far as putting her down.. It's usually in the middle of the night when she wakes me wanting to go out to do her business and if i put her down she pees immediately afterwards.
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Old 05-07-2008, 08:14 AM
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just wanted to wish you the very best with your pup vesper.

You have her now, so there is nothing more to do about that. The fact that you have been made aware of why NOT to buy animals in a retail store is worth a lot.

Find a puppy class.

Be kind, consistent, and demanding in a positive way with your pup.

Make the right thing to do the ONLY opportunity for her.

Prevent mistakes by using crates, expens, baby gates, etc.

Read the stickies here and in the puppy section on puppy training, mouthing, house training, etc.

Find a class in your area and start training as soon as they will let you.

If vaccines are up to date, have your puppy out and about to visit and socialize with people in different places as often as possible.

And of course you must post photos soon so we can see the adorable little thing.

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Old 05-07-2008, 10:11 AM
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Oh, having had herding breeds for years, including an Aussie, one game that is fun AND seems to satisfy their herding drives is to invest in a number of large balls of various sizes.

Throw them out into the yard, and run around with her, kicking them (like soccer) for short distances and "herding" them into one particular place. She'll get the idea and have a blast "herding" her toys

BUT . . . . when she is heel nipping and herding YOU, the game is over if she won't be diverted back to the balls. You don't want her herding kids, bicycles, etc., should she ever manage to get loose - and trust me, it can happen no matter how careful you are. Plus, it's no fun walking the dog when she's wanting to herd passers-by. Or cars.
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Old 05-07-2008, 10:20 AM
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Herding the balls is a good idea.

And she is adorable : )

I've taken her to dog parks to socialize her before, but the vet said that i should probably wait to continue taking her until she gets her last set of shots a few months from now. She is up to date already though. She is very good with other dogs too though sometimes she tries to herd them as well and she's so fast that few of them can catch her. Oh, and she's very good with people as well. Everyone in my neighborhood and family love her, and she meets someone new almost everyday. I think she loves being the center of their attention.

Oh and she only woke me up 1 time last night. Which is a record because every other night she's woken me up 3-4 times to do her business.
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Old 05-07-2008, 02:05 PM
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Give her an activity where she is aloud to herd. One of those big yoga balls is nice if she isn't afraid of it. She can control it's movement till the cows come home.

Besides my dog Miley I have only had herding breeds. My Sheltie and two Border Collies all were taught by getting up and leaving the game. Therefore they no longer have any control over you which is what they are doing. It's cute and harmless in pups but it is horrible in adult dogs.

*Lol Renee some times we write the exact same thing. I didn't read the entire thread.
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Old 05-07-2008, 03:45 PM
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Just a word of caution the North American Shepherd or "Mini Aussie" is the bane of the Australian shepherd breeder, going to an aussie list with questions about a "mini" is like chumming shark infested waters there will most likely be a feeding frenzy. Unfortunately since your pup is more than likely a mill puppy there is a good chance she actually has other breeds in her besides aussie. Alot of "mini" breeders, especially millers, will cross small aussies with poms, paps and the like for size, throwing alot more problems behavior and physical into the mix. Looking at the last shot it appears that there might be some pap in there
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Old 05-07-2008, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by vesper View Post
I've taken her to dog parks to socialize her before, but the vet said that i should probably wait to continue taking her until she gets her last set of shots a few months from now. She is up to date already though.
OMG, that face would sure be hard to walk past in a petstore! Too cute!

I'd also suggest not going to dog parks for a few more months, but actually because they're not great for socialization - too many unruly dogs that may scare her, and while she's young you want very few scary incidences.

But I'd definately enroll in a puppy training class as soon as you can, most classes will allow puppies who are UTD on shots even if they haven't had their last set. Puppy class is a much more controlled environment than the dog park, you have a trainer who knows when something is getting out of hand, and knows how to fix it.
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Old 05-07-2008, 06:41 PM
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vesper,,I think your fibbing when you tell us that little girl is an ankle biting shark )))

She is WAY TO CUTE to be anything other than the sweetest little thing out there ))

Good luck with her, I have a couple of aussies, shoot me but I like those mini's, and there is nothing cuter than an aussie puppy ))
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Old 05-07-2008, 07:05 PM
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haha. I'm trying to visualize what an austi-pap would look like, but i can't. I tried looking for some pictures but i couldn't find any..

Yeah, i thought she would be afraid the first time i took her to the dog park, but she was in the small dog pin and whined and whined when i made her leave. She loves being around other dogs. She loves being around all new things really. The only thing i've really noticed her being scared of is passing cars in my neighborhood. She tends to hide behind my legs and whine when they go by.

Oh and she does practice her herding on me. It's adorable, but i dont want to to cause problems later. Yesterday on our walk there were some ducks on my neighbors lawn and she had a great time herding them for a few minutes before they flew away.
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