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Old 05-02-2008, 06:58 PM
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Default Selling pups to those under legal age.

I thought the thread on what qualifications breeders want before they sell pups had a interesting one.. "have you ever sold to someone under legal age" a junior.. However that thread kinda turned from the original purpose of dicussing puppy buyer qualifications into a arguement about prodividing confidential info like a SSN and a DL#.

I am curious about this because there were a few who said yes, they have... but under circumstances. I've never even thought that most breeders would sell to someone under age, so I was wondering what exactly those circumstances would be.


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Old 05-02-2008, 07:42 PM
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Well I am going to start your thread out by NOT being a breeder, NEVER having been a breeder, and having NO plans on EVER being a breeder! hahahaha

*Hypothetical*

If I had a litter of anything.......cats, dogs, gerbils, whatever, I would consider an under aged owner based on their merits PLUS the merits of their parents/guardians.

If we are talking a show prospect the same principle would apply. I would look at the minor's previous history, if they had none I would look at their parents. I guess it would need to depend a lot on their attitude and animal experience in general if neither had any show experience. I think it would be a big gamble to hand over a show prospect to totally inexperienced people.
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Old 05-02-2008, 08:58 PM
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So what age would you (general you) limit it to?
14, 15.. 16? (etc)

Parents would definately play a big role.

The other purpose of my thread is because a friends sister really wants to purchase a pup. From a reputable breeder, .. a purebred. She knows just as much about dogs as I do, and is fully committed. She's sixteen, working fulltime at a Pet store (that sells all the healthy dog foods like acana, orijen) that she would bringing the pup to. She would be enrolling in puppy socialization classes, obedience classes, agility.. and breed specific activities.. (lure coursing for sighthounds, herding classes for a herder etc) and has been playing with the idea of training for a therapy dog. She believes in late spay/neuter .. limited vaccines and that that good doggy stuff.

Shes a good teenager, and the dog certainly would have a good life but age plays such a big role and theres no way that her parents know as much as she does, so having them deal with the breeder can't be done, really.
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Old 05-02-2008, 09:36 PM
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It was already mentioned in the other thread that one can not enter into a contract with a minor, and responsible breeders have contracts on their dogs.

Regardless of how responsible your friend's sister is, she presumably still lives at home at the age of 16. IOW, her parents call the shots. A breeder would have to be assured that the parents are ok with her having a dog, and that the parents are going to be financially responsible for the dog if she can't be. The fact is that things go wrong with dogs, and they can have quite expensive problems. For instance, one of my girls just had pyometra requiring an emergency spay at a vet college which cost $3000. If a dog bloats, you may be looking at a higher expense than that. A minor teenager may not be able to handle such emergencies.

As a rescue person, I can't tell you how many times we've had calls from parents after the teenagers have moved out and left behind their dogs, and the parents don't want them. That also tends to colour my view when it comes to breeding and placing puppies.
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Old 05-02-2008, 09:55 PM
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She actually lives with her grandma and works full time. her Grandma would be involved for the legal work, however the main thing is how comfortable breeders are with selling a pup that would be under the primarily care of a teenager.

She'd be getting pet insurance and be saving up a emergency fund in case anything were to happen.
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Old 05-02-2008, 10:56 PM
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How does she work full time? Is she in school?

I agree with Mary, I think it's too much responsibility to put on a teenager. I think it's perfectly wonderful if the PARENTS own the dog and are responsible for the dog's care, while the teen takes the dog to work, classes, etc. Although I think that the parents should also attend at least the basic obedience classes (but I usually think that EVERYONE in the household should attend those classes with their dog, regardless of who technically owns the dog).

Plus, the teen will be moving away eventually (presumably). College requires a lot more work than high school, plus there's the social aspect, so I don't think college students should be the sole caregiver of a dog. If she doesn't go to college, she still will probably move into an apartment/rental house, which may or may not allow dogs. And then the dog may or may not be comfortable living in a smaller area (or not having a yard, etc.).

Don't get me wrong, I think it's fantastic that a teenager is so interested in dogs, and I think that interest should certainly be encouraged. But I think that this period in life is just too unpredictable long-term for the teen to own and be solely responsible for the dog.
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I always sold to a family ....if it was for an underage child then I expected them to see that my rules were followed .
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It depends on the individual "minor". There are alot of youngsters who are interested in schutzhund, and chances are if they are interested, the parents are too. So I have no problem selling a dog to a minor, but as it was stated it is illegal to enter a contract with a minor. So the parents or guardian would have to do that. But just because a teen calls me and arent over the age of 18 does not mean I'm going to just shoo them away. I ask them what THEY want, they do the follow-up, basically all that an adult must do to purchase a puppy, its just legally it cant happen (and the contract is basically the only thing that involves the parents and their approval of course).
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Old 05-03-2008, 12:37 AM
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How does she work full time? Is she in school?

I agree with Mary, I think it's too much responsibility to put on a teenager. I think it's perfectly wonderful if the PARENTS own the dog and are responsible for the dog's care, while the teen takes the dog to work, classes, etc. Although I think that the parents should also attend at least the basic obedience classes (but I usually think that EVERYONE in the household should attend those classes with their dog, regardless of who technically owns the dog).

Plus, the teen will be moving away eventually (presumably). College requires a lot more work than high school, plus there's the social aspect, so I don't think college students should be the sole caregiver of a dog. If she doesn't go to college, she still will probably move into an apartment/rental house, which may or may not allow dogs. And then the dog may or may not be comfortable living in a smaller area (or not having a yard, etc.).

Don't get me wrong, I think it's fantastic that a teenager is so interested in dogs, and I think that interest should certainly be encouraged. But I think that this period in life is just too unpredictable long-term for the teen to own and be solely responsible for the dog.

She's finished with school, finished earlier via internet schooling.
She already rents the basement from her grandma, and she's told me she doesnt have any plans to go to college/university. I can't really speak for her, I'm just gathering info for her. So this is what I gather.. I admit being biased (since I quite like her haha) however I am trying to speak truthfully on what her intentions are.

I think if she got a dog, she would recognize the commitment aspect of it. (meaning taking the dog with her when she moves out)

Everything does really depend on the individual teenager. I'm confused as to why the parents would have to be the sole resource provider for the dog, when the teen is capable, financially as well. Responsibility of a dog can be handled by a teenager, even if the parents/guardians would be the ones signing the contract.
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It depends on the individual "minor". There are alot of youngsters who are interested in schutzhund, and chances are if they are interested, the parents are too. So I have no problem selling a dog to a minor, but as it was stated it is illegal to enter a contract with a minor. So the parents or guardian would have to do that. But just because a teen calls me and arent over the age of 18 does not mean I'm going to just shoo them away. I ask them what THEY want, they do the follow-up, basically all that an adult must do to purchase a puppy, its just legally it cant happen (and the contract is basically the only thing that involves the parents and their approval of course).

Thank you that was helpful.
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