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Old 05-01-2008, 06:07 AM
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I am seriously getting stumped over this... Morgan was doing really well for a little while, but the last week and a half he has gotten much worse.

His crate is downstairs, our bedroom is upstairs. He usually doesn't bark before my alarm anymore... but he DOES right after it goes off. I don't know if it is the alarm itself that sets him off (I've tried to counteract this by setting it to turn on the radio at a low volume) or hearing me move around before I get out of bed.

I try to never go to him when he's barking. I'll brush my teeth, get dressed, etc. and generally wait up in my room until he stops before I'll go downstairs. Usually he'll stop after a few minutes, but every once in a while he just won't quit! I have to go to work eventually, so on those days I am forced to go downstairs, feed him, let him out, crate him back up, and then RUN out the door. I never open the crate while he's barking, though, but he's figured that out... as long as I'm standing right there.

This is the ONLY time he barks! I don't know what it is!

The real problem here is that my husband is still trying to sleep through all this. He doesn't need to get out of bed for another hour or so after I leave for work. He has been very patient with this issue since we got Morgan, but he's starting to lose that patience.

I know that the best solution would be to let Morgan sleep upstairs with us. Unfortunately, that isn't an option. My husband will not allow Morgan to stay in our room (it's the way his family functions). One of the conditions of getting a dog is that he would have to stay on the main level. I've tried telling him that the barking issue would be resolved with this one change, but he isn't buying it.

The other problem would be about moving Morgan's crate up there. We don't spend a lot of time upstairs other than sleeping, so keeping his crate on the main level makes more sense during the day.

But I'm babbling... I'm having trouble keeping on-task this morning...

Anyways, if you have any other ideas or suggestions I can try, I would REALLY REALLY appreciate it!!! My husband's next solution is a bark-collar. I don't like Morgan wearing collars in the crate at all. If that is my last resort, then maybe, but until then, doesn't there HAVE to be something else??

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Old 05-01-2008, 06:15 PM
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Usually he'll stop after a few minutes, but every once in a while he just won't quit! I have to go to work eventually, so on those days I am forced to go downstairs, feed him, let him out, crate him back up, and then RUN out the door. I never open the crate while he's barking, though, but he's figured that out... as long as I'm standing right there.
I think it's very possible that this could be your problem - every once in a while, when he barks, you come down the stairs (that's his reward). Going anywhere within his sight is rewarding to him when he's barking.

Since your husband doesn't have to go to work until after you, is it possible for HIM to take care of Morgan when Morgan barks too much for you? I'd also suggest putting the crate in a room somewhere so that you can come downstairs and out the front door without him seeing you, so when you do have to go to work you can sneak out.

You could also try leaving a radio on or a white noise machine so that Morgan might not hear you get up in the morning.... Course he'll probably still start barking when he hears you get close, but it's worth a try.
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Old 05-01-2008, 07:27 PM
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lizzybeth727,

I am perfectly willing to believe that this is something I have caused with my work schedule. In fact, I'm sure it is my fault, but I just didn't know what else I could try. I have been trying to change it up as best I can and avoid him as best I can. When I absolutely HAVE to go downstairs I won't even make eye contact with him until he is quiet. I don't talk to him, don't look at him, don't go anywhere near any of his toys... or anything! I know that probably isn't enough (for the exact reasons you described to me), but I just wanted you to know exactly what I have been doing so we can be on the same page.

There isn't really a place to put his crate where he won't see me, since we have an open floorplan downstairs (our living room, dining room, and kitchen are all basically one big room).

As for my husband ... I'm surprised he gets to work with pants on some days. He is NOT a morning person, and even if I asked him to take care of Morgan later, there is no guarantee that he will wake up and actually remember to feed and let Morgan out.

I will try leaving our portable radio on downstairs tonight, and I'll see if that helps. Thank you SOOOOOO much for the suggestion! You always have such great advice. What would I do without you??


(PS: I was just telling my husband all your ideas, and he just informed me that none of those ideas will work, and then asked how old does a dog have to be for an electric bark-collar. AUGH!! Okay, sorry had to rant...)
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I think it's very possible that this could be your problem - every once in a while, when he barks, you come down the stairs (that's his reward). Going anywhere within his sight is rewarding to him when he's barking.
Ditto. It's like the lottery.. he's figured out once in a while, barking 'wins' for him and he'll continue doing it in the hope that he 'wins' again.

My suggestion? Get up EARLY, like half an hour earlier than usual, or maybe more, for the next two weeks or more so you will have a little extra time to combat the barking. One thing that works well for Middie is the 'reward' of my voice when he shuts the he!! up once there is a lull in the barking if I can't get to him right away.

For your husband to read: Please don't ignore ideas until you've actually tried them. Interestingly enough, you'll find that you are shooting yourself in the foot and will be making things very hard for yourself in the future if Morgan is continually reinforced for his barking. I have experience with this, and it's why I dread living in an apartment some day with my dog. I know I will have to, but my dad has continually ruined my efforts at training my dog out of his barking habits, and actually reinforced them - and he was saying the same things you are: "those ideas don't work!" "I'll hit him on the head with a newspaper, that'll teach him!" and "lets get a bark collar!" Now that he has "seen the light" so to speak, and on some level realized the ineffectiveness of his actions, he expects me to be able to fix all of his mistakes with Middie in five minutes. And it's obviously not happening... because now barking crazily in the crate is a reinforced behavior.

Over the last 3-4 months (yep - months, and he's still not perfect, when Morgan's barking problem can probably be fixed in a month or maybe less) I've gotten Middie to the point where he can be alone in one room of the house at night or when I leave and for the most part he will be silent. We still have bad days of frenzied "YOU WILL COME LET ME OUT NOW" barking, though.

So.. unless you want to end up in my situation, I'd listen to your wife and give some of those ideas a try. They HAVE worked with Middie, but because the behavior was continually reinforced it's taken a long time. And it's been a pain in the butt.
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Having Morgan's crate in your room might not even solve the problem. Saga's crate is in our bedroom and it doesn't make a difference. In fact she carries on MORE if you are in the room. (Like trying to sleep, not wandering around.) I'm actually going to go pick up an ultrasonic tabletop unit and give that a go. A friend of mine has one for her Sibe and Lab and says it works really well for them. Plus, since it isn't a collar, it won't get stuck on anything in the crate nor will the dogs (Django and Saga) get equipment wise. "Oooooh I'm not wearing my special collar! BARK BARK BARK"
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The radio didn't seem to help last night. In fact, it seemed to make him bark even earlier!! *cries* He did have a lull in his barking early on, though, and I came down the stairs as quickly as I could right then.

It's possible that the radio just wasn't set loud enough for him to hear it well. He may have thought it was just my alarm again, it was set so soft.

I understand that it's my fault. I just didn't know what else I could do, since my support in the morning is limited at best.

Nolu,
My husband won't read that. Partly because he won't take the advice from "some stranger", but also mostly because if he read it he would then be pissed at ME for mentioning him here. *sigh* I WILL be using the points that you made when I talk to him about it today, though.
Regarding the "reward of my voice", do you think getting a baby monitor would help? So that when he quiets down and I'm still, say, in the bathroom... I can radio down to him? It seems weird, but is it worth trying?

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Ultrasonic tabletop unit? What is that? How does it work?
(I am desperate for ANYTHING that isn't a bark-collar... My husband really doesn't understand the concept of "dog will learn that collar=bad and no collar=bark.)


Thank you all for your help. It pains me that this is a problem I've caused on my own, since I have been trying so hard... but now at least I have other options for fixing it.

I think I am going to go claim my Pissy Pass for the day now...
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Ultrasonic.

Basically, it emits a noise that dogs find unpleasant. With some dogs, it gets them to shut up. (Can you tell that someone is barking RIGHT NOW? )
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Ultrasonic.

Basically, it emits a noise that dogs find unpleasant. With some dogs, it gets them to shut up. (Can you tell that someone is barking RIGHT NOW? )

That is amazing! Thank you sooooo much!

I am going to try again on the radio idea, but if that doesn't do it I am going to pick up one of those, too.

Thanks again! You're a lifesaver!
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Oh, and unless you have it jacked up to the highest setting, you can't hear it.
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Oh, and unless you have it jacked up to the highest setting, you can't hear it.
Perfect.

I am not too worried about hearing it, since we are upstairs and he is downstairs. And it will only be on at night (prime barking time, ya know).

Again, thank you so very very much!
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