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Old 04-26-2008, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by corgipower View Post
People should buy what suits them. The split isn't coming from the buyers, it's coming from what the breeders are breeding and what the judges are giving the wins to. I've seen some pretty awful judging decisions, and then all of a sudden everyone breeds for that. (Like the oversized corgis.)
IMO it comes more from the breeders than the judges. In my area it takes 2 BC's to make a point. It takes less than 6 BC's to make a major around here. You can't tell me that anyone who shows up at a show an enters a decent amount of their working bred BC's would never eventually put points on them/finish them. It has to do with the breeders being phobic of having that conformation stigma on them. If working people would put their money where their mouth is and show their working stock, they might actually change what is being put up in the show ring. Judges can only judge what is put in front of them, so if you don't show them any working dogs, they can't put up any working dogs.
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Old 04-26-2008, 08:51 PM
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I've been htinking about this for a while.
I don't know if my answer is completley relevant but anyway.

I know there is a lot of discussion on show bred dogs doign whatthey were originally bred to do. Like show bred BC's shoudl also be able to herd. And you knwo... I don't even care if they don't. I think in some breeds, the split is so great that the working lines vs the show lines means 2 different breeds. For example, kelpies. I would never purchase a kelpie that was a working dog/show dog mix. They are too differnt IMO and you would end up with puppies that msot likley wouldn't excel at herding or in the show ring.

I do have respect for dog shows, for the amount of work that goes into it. But I do think with some breeds, we have to start recognising how big the split really is.
If I was after a show bred BC, I herding titles in its pedigree might be a bonus, but I'd probably be moreso after obediance or agility titles because I wouldn't expect a great working dog to come in the form of a conf bred BC. Thats why when I do get a BC, it will be from working lines.

I'd one day liek to show, so I have nothing against it. But with how the split is in some breeds (like in kelpies, where bench kelpies and working kelpies don't even look remotley similar anymore) I think we need to start recognising them as sperate breeds.

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Old 04-27-2008, 12:03 AM
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I would rather take one of my working dogs and put it into the ring. I'm a big fan of those with working dogs actually showing those dogs. Bring the original standard back.

I don't know why the ring has to change a breedss standards. That bothers me.
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Old 04-27-2008, 03:24 AM
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^^Fully agree. In most breeds, the working standard was around before the show standard, so why is it so hard to put up a working dog? Because the standard was changed. I'm starting to think that if the standard has to be changed to accomodate a split, they might as well just go the whole hog and declare a new breed.

Or they could be smart and just freaking go back to the original standard.
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