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Old 07-08-2005, 03:09 PM
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Which guard dogs out there similar to that of a GSD are NOT prone to being domineering?

It seems that most of them are...
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Old 07-08-2005, 03:17 PM
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depends...what do you mean by domineering? any good "guard dog breed" is going to be very confident and need a firm handler who is not afraid of the dog, and who is going to properly train the dog. by properly train I mean: be the leader...tell the dog what to do rather than ask it to do something, and follow through by making the dog obey. absolutely do not mean kick or otherwise harm the dog.
similar to the gsd? belgian malinois, beauceron, dutch shepherd. but in some ways rottweilers, dobermans, pit bulls, mastiffs, bullmastiffs, boxers, anatlian shepherds, and many others are similar to the gsd.
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I mean domineering. I don't understand why that would be hard to understand... some breeds of dogs are more domineering than others.

For example, between a Lab and a GSD... the GSD will be much more domineering. Understand? My question was... does anybody know of any dog breeds out there that aren't very domineering.
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well the reason I ask is I have been around top working german shepherds imported from europe for 12 years. and your question was not "does anybody know of any dog breeds out there that aren't very domineering". it was " Which guard dogs out there similar to that of a GSD are NOT prone to being domineering?" I dont find german shepherds the least bit domineering. I find them 10 times easier to live with and train than a golden retreiver due to the fact that they are much more intelligent and much more eager to learn and please. I have trained gsd's and other breeds in obedience, schutzhund, herding, detection, search and rescue and therapy. I have also found that if someone can live happily with a golden, a lab, jack russel, or chihuahua then they can live happily and easily train a german shepherd. with any breed you have to establish yourself as the leader/boss and not let the dog get away with anything. if you think the gsd is domineering then I highly recommend you avoid gaurd dog breeds in the future. the german shepherd is the only breed that has, and continues too, excel at every field of training it tries. I have worked with numerous breeds from chihuahuas to beagles, pit bulls to rottweilers, tibetan mastiffs to anatolian shepherd dogs and many many others. I find the gsd to be smarter than most (with exception of border collie and a small few others) and easier to train than any breed I or anyone I have spoken with have trained. if your gsd is trying to assert dominance, you REALLY need to do more training, and not just in obedience.
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Old 07-08-2005, 04:06 PM
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It's not asserting any dominance anymore. I took care of that. What other kind of training is there, besides for dog-sports which I will not do.

And considering I've raised my GSD just fine, I think I'll be fine with another dog breed. They're not very domineering at all, you say? Well, maybe to someone who has worked with a large variety of different domineering dogs then no. But to the average owner, I think so.

Considering the GSD was my first dog, I think he is very domineering compared to that of a Lab. 12 years is a long time to be working with different dog breeds all the time. OF COURSE for you no dog is domineering.
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thats true, however in that 12 years I have talked to thousands of people with their first gsd, and the most difficutly any of them have mentioned is that the dog is challenging, in that they are ABLE to constantly teach it new things. not that they have to teach it new things or constantly train it, but because the breed has the ability and desire to learn new things.
you may have done great with your gsd and therefore be able to raise another breed just fine, but that has nothing to do with your question. you asked if there was a guard dog breed that is not as domineering as the gsd. the gsd is by far the least domineering of the gaurdian breeds, so if you found the gsd difficult then as a professional I HAVE to suggest that you avoid a more dominant breed. if you are willing to do a lot of research and train with a professional then Im sure you could do great with a more dominant breed. but if you are looking for a less dominant breed then you are not looking for a gaurdian breed.
"What other kind of training is there, besides for dog-sports which I will not do." first off why not? the gsd excells at schutzhund, obedience competitions, ring sports, flyball, agility, herding, tracking, therapy and more. besides competition...my 18 1/2 month old male is trained to sit, lie down, come, heel, shake hands, roll over, sit up/beg, stand on hind legs, bow, go get the phone when it rings and bring it to me, to sit in the middle of the room when the door is being opened or the door bell rings. and he knows his obedience commands in english, german, spanish, and we are working on french. as for other training we do schutzhund, agility, flybal, therapy work, and some herding.
no offense but you are not being clear at all in what you want. you say the gsd is domineering and you want a dog that is less so. I explain that the gsd is the least domineering/easiest to train of the gaurd dog breeds and you say that you did fine with a gsd so you should be fine with another breed. that doesnt make since. most people, if they came to me and proved they had done fine with another breed and wanted to try a more challenging breed, Id say go for it and Id help them choose a breed. but you are riding both sides, saying you want a less dominant breed, then saying you did fine so you should be okay with a more dominant breed? you very well may be fine with a more difficult breed, but the fact that originally you were asking for a less dominant breed makes me suggest a less dominant breed. if you are looking for an easier dog than a gsd (wether you did great with one or not) then you dont need to go with a more difficult breed. perhaps a watchdog, one that barks when someone approaches but is excited about it and wouldnt bite, is more up your ally. or another gsd.
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thats true, however in that 12 years I have talked to thousands of people with their first gsd, and the most difficutly any of them have mentioned is that the dog is challenging, in that they are ABLE to constantly teach it new things. not that they have to teach it new things or constantly train it, but because the breed has the ability and desire to learn new things.
you may have done great with your gsd and therefore be able to raise another breed just fine, but that has nothing to do with your question. you asked if there was a guard dog breed that is not as domineering as the gsd. the gsd is by far the least domineering of the gaurdian breeds, so if you found the gsd difficult then as a professional I HAVE to suggest that you avoid a more dominant breed. if you are willing to do a lot of research and train with a professional then Im sure you could do great with a more dominant breed. but if you are looking for a less dominant breed then you are not looking for a gaurdian breed.
"What other kind of training is there, besides for dog-sports which I will not do." first off why not? the gsd excells at schutzhund, obedience competitions, ring sports, flyball, agility, herding, tracking, therapy and more. besides competition...my 18 1/2 month old male is trained to sit, lie down, come, heel, shake hands, roll over, sit up/beg, stand on hind legs, bow, go get the phone when it rings and bring it to me, to sit in the middle of the room when the door is being opened or the door bell rings. and he knows his obedience commands in english, german, spanish, and we are working on french. as for other training we do schutzhund, agility, flybal, therapy work, and some herding.
No sir, I do not have the money nor the time do that. My dog knows sit down, lie down, shake, stay, wait, and he can catch a ball in mid-air on command.

I'm not going to do that... so sorry.

Were the people with their first GSD, was it their first very own dog?
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not all of them but some. look...Im not at all saying you shouldnt have a dog, a german shepherd, or any other breed in the world. Im just going off of what you said, that you were looking for a less dominant breed than the german shepherd. any guardian breed is going to be more domineering. no one can give you accurate advice unless you can actually explain what you want!!! you want another guard dog breed besides the gsd? the only 2 that come close (not much more dominant) are the beauceron and the dutch shepherd. but they are both more dominant and energetic. you want less dominant? then you DONT want a guardian breed.
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I hear Boxers are very even-tempered and they're pretty good guard dogs.

And trust me, I DO want a guard dog... I think I would know...

And I really don't understand why you're having trouble with what I want. An even-tempered guard dog... one that's not very dominant...

Apparently, you say there's no guard dog out there that's not extremely dominant and that the GSD is the least dominant of them all... I kind of find this hard to believe but... whatever... I guess since you've been working with dog-breeds for 12 years you would know, right?
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many people do have dobermans, rotties, boxers etc and dont have any problems. but I GARAUNTEE that the only ones of those people who claim they are easier than gsd's to train, have never had a good gsd. boxers have a heck of a lot more energy. rotties are a LOT more dominant. maybe if you could explain in what specific ways you find/found your gsd difficult or domineering I and others could more easily help you? and please dont be offended, I am not trying to say you are incapable of training a more dominant breed. I am only trying to give you the best advice I can based on the very little info you have given, and based on my 12+ years of experience. list some examples of what you thought was difficult about the gsd, what has it done to be domineering?
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