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Old 07-09-2005, 06:50 PM
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Dena, I would agree with you if I hadn't seen how well it has worked out for my brother's dogs. He has 5 acres of land. The dogs were in danger of getting hit by a car before he got it. My brother loves his land and fencing was just not an option, he has woods, swamp land etc. His 2 dogs LOVE to run, and now since he has the invisible fence that is exactly what they do all day long. They are free and happy. They never get shocked because they know the boundaries.

Like I said, I would feel the same as you if I hadn't seen how well it works. These are very happy dogs.
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Old 07-09-2005, 09:49 PM
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I was gonna say exactly what gaddylovesdogs said. terriers and many german shepherds dont care about a split second shock. Ive felt the shock myself and have to say Ive been shocked worse after wlaking around in socks on carpet all day and touching a door knob. also as gaddy said, even if you do get an invisible fence you cant trust the dog to be outside unsupervised. even if it does care about the shock. someone could poison or puppy nap your baby, and other dogs can come INSIDE the fenced area. the only time I dont try to talk my clients out of an invisible fence if if it is being put in along the bottom of an existing real fence. and then I tell them it'd be cheaper to lay wire along the bottom.
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Old 07-09-2005, 09:55 PM
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Funny (and true) story my friend told me....

She often trains peoples dogs. Where she is, there are lots of nordic breeds (sibes, mals, sammies, etc.). She was working with a family would just couldn't keep their siberian husky inside of their yard. They had a fence and tried chicken wire...everything!! It simply didn't work. They finally tried invisible fence about two feet outside of the regular fencing. One day, the owner went out into the yard to discover his dog was gone!! When he exited the yard, he discovered the dog napping in the invisible fence!! Because of her coat, it felt like a massage to her. She had been sleeping for about an hour.
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Old 07-09-2005, 11:57 PM
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LOL!!!! sounds like she was probably jumping ver the fence? e fences dont work with most dogs. if it is a very sensitive or submissive dog, it'll work but still doesnt keep people or other dogs from cming in.
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Old 07-10-2005, 06:16 AM
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This is just my own opinion, but I would never use that type of fence. I think it's cruel to subject an animal to a potential shock. I think a regular fence would be a better chice.

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I share that opinion, would a real fence be cheaper? I don't know how you can virtually punish a dog for running through somehting they cant see
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Old 07-10-2005, 12:39 PM
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i personally think real fencing is the best option...but our neighbors wont allow it..because it looks ugly...and my mom spent lots of money in landscaping...we have little evergreens bordering our backyard...but those obviously dont keep him in.

Now that we found out he is a cattle dog...it explains his constant nipping...but we arent cattle or sheep...so it is not an excuse for him to be nipping...especially since it is painful sometimes.

The shock collar is probably our best option...i understand people are against it...and ive seen trainers who train with no discipline/punishments...no treats even...only using praise...and thats what we have been trying ('cept we do use treats)...this method does not work with our dog...he is much too stubborn...praise is not enough for him....

He is a quick learner though, and when we tried out the shock collar, we only had to do it a few times...and then the rest of the time, he came whenever he was called...

the trainer's motto was "if you cant do the time, then dont do the crime" Once Oakley learns what behaviors will get him shocked, it is his choice to do them or not...he gets to consider the consequences and decide if they are worth it...thats just my 2 cents
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Old 07-13-2005, 01:28 PM
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I guess I'm just toooooo much of a softie when it comes to our fur friends!!! Of course I wouldn't want any dog to be injured in the road or by a neighbor. I would opt for a regular fence rather then an electric fence. If the regular fence is too expensive, the an electric fence is better then the amimal being hurt.
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Old 07-13-2005, 01:30 PM
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I just read your last post Dreeza...I didn't realize that the neighbors don't want you to have a real fence for cosmetic reason. Sorry. I'll jump off my soapbox now...LOL
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Old 07-13-2005, 01:34 PM
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why cant u just get a regular wood fence?
who cares what neighboursmwant u to do, its ur house and yard
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Old 07-13-2005, 02:25 PM
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some neighborhoods have strict codes, many do not allow real fences. does the neighborhood ban fencing in the back yard, or does it ban fencing the entire property line? what about a chainlink fence in part of the back yard?
I am not against shock collars, strider wears one fairly often. I do however STRONGLY recommend that if you are going to use one, you find a dog trainer in your area who really knows how to train with one. it doesnt hurt the dog, I have shocked myself before and let other people shock themselves to feel it. it feels like a static shock when you walk around on carpet in socks and then touch a door knob or something. however it is VERY easy to confuse the dog and screw up the training if you dont use them correctly. I also suggest trying a prong/pinch collar (not a choke collar as it damages the esophagus) before resorting to a shock collar.
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