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Old 02-14-2008, 03:07 PM
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Food bribery creates aggression!!!!
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Old 02-14-2008, 04:46 PM
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Be forewarned, the words Positive Reinforcement, Luring, and Operant Conditioning are code words for bribing with food.
Umm...wrong. Even if you are a tried-and-true supporter of the stave school of training, and believe that only hormonal silly females would use treats to train their dog, operant conditioning isn't bribing with food. At all. Operant conditioning is using consequences to change the volutary behavior of an animal. That could mean "If you come running over when I call you, I will give you this piece of steak" or "If you get up when I tell you to stay, I will whack you with this stave". You CAN'T train any animal without operant conditioning, because operant conditioning IS training - that's basically the definition. I'd be hard pressed to listen to any "trainer" who didn't bother to educate themselves at least that far.

As for the photo of the dog on the seesaw, yes, obviously it isn't a picture of a dog being beaten. But I have the biggest wuss in the history of dogdom. She wouldn't walk over a board laying flat on the ground when I first got her. One of our first off-leash hikes almost had to end before it began, because there was a little footbridge over a stream, and she would not touch it. And yet, the first time she got on a full-size seesaw, she was bold and happy and excited to slam it to the ground. Because we used OPERANT CONDITIONING to teach her seesaws are great things.

But what do I know? I'm leaving for agility class early so I can go to the store and buy roast beef.
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Old 02-14-2008, 05:02 PM
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Hey people according to this crack pot we that use Positive methods, clickers etc are 'do gooders'.
Here is a quote from his site:

"AND LAST, BUT NOT LEAST FOR ALL YOU GOODY TWO SHOE TRAINERS, AND FOLLOWERS THAT USE FOOD, TREATS, AND CLICKERS, AND WISH TO WALK AROUND WITH A POCKET FULL OF FOOD FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE - GET OFF THIS SITE. GO BUY A GOLD FISH FOR A PET."

He really doesn't know what he talking about and has no clue to the how's and whys............great.

Oh D**m, and this guy is in my neigbhorhood, great just what we need.
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Old 02-14-2008, 05:08 PM
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That guy needs to be bitten. ROFL. What an idiot.
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Old 02-14-2008, 05:27 PM
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GO BUY A GOLD FISH FOR A PET
I've been thinking about it ever since I saw that goldfish that is trained to do weave poles! How cool is that? Do you think you can use a stave on a goldfish?
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Old 02-14-2008, 05:40 PM
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Well how interesting, I made a couple of phone calls since I last posted.
I spoke with some folks that have some very high credentials and asked them what they knew about this chap.
They said that he *allegedly*, has taken dogs in for training, charged $700.00 and NOT trained the dogs nor had there been any success with any or little training that had been done ( so much for his guarantee). That he allegedly, doesn't show up for prepaid lessons. Nobody in the dog industry in his direct area wants anything to do with him and its appears that he was also in the Ottawa area before and his rep. was the same there.
I made several phone calls and just asked what they knew about him, and got the same answers across the board. Now if pushed I could also make phone calls to folks that I know in the Ottawa area as well.

Not surprising.

Google him.............this is what I found on the first page.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/...off0305167.htm

more...........

http://peterborough.kijiji.ca/c-View...?set_id=1C4000

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Old 02-14-2008, 06:12 PM
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Surprise, surprise another one.

http://www.badbusinessbureau.com/rep...Off0280082.htm
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Old 02-14-2008, 06:39 PM
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I believe I've heard mention of this guy from an Ontario reporter who had her dog trained and in order to the dog to quit bolting out the door, they slammed the dog's head in the door. Then suddenly and amazingly, the dog didn't want to have anything to do with the door!
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Old 02-14-2008, 07:11 PM
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No kidding. I would've turned around and bit him. Idiot.
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Wow, that is quite a kettle of fish!

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