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Old 02-05-2008, 06:29 AM
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i agree the kid really deserved that for pulling the dog's ears.
Well, yes, no. That was a really little kid. The dog had every right to bite. But did the kid deserve it? From the dog's point of view, yes. But from a human point of view, no. Because the mother should have intervened. Kids that little DON'T know any better and they get hurt in all sorts of ways because of it. A child that age should expect (if they expect anything) his mother to keep him out of trouble . . . and not just by saying no, but by keeping him out of the situation altogether and separating the child from the dog. It was the mother's fault, I believe, not the child. If the kid had been older, then yes, he would have deserved it.
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Old 02-05-2008, 07:41 AM
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I think the kid deserved it. When I was that age I never hurt an animal, I was more aware then that. My sisters kids have never either. My opinion is that he deserved it.
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Old 02-05-2008, 08:10 AM
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whether he deserved it or not, the mother should have intervened. Not said "don't or he'll bite you" and gone back to her phone. Now she's having to defend her dog. Dogs in most states here only have to bite another animal (that includes chickens and rats etc) and they are declared dangerous. My cousin lost his rotti to that system.
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Old 02-05-2008, 08:54 AM
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I agree with you 100% Maggie
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Old 02-05-2008, 09:02 AM
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A 2-year-old kid doesn't "deserve" anything. A 2-year-old is an innocent yet inquisitve creature hell-bent on exploring the world around him and learning all about it. It is the parents' responsibility to make his explorations safe! And does a 2-year-old know what the word "no" means? Maybe. But is he capable of understanding the rationale behind the use of the word? No. Again, that is why it is the parents' job to make sure he stays out of dangerous situations....exactly what this own child was in at the time.

Yes pulling a dog's ears constantly can warrant a nip or bite. But a 2-year-old doesn't deserve that bite.....the mother or father who sat back and allowed it to happen does. It's like saying that a 2-year-old deserved to fall head-first into the deep end of the pool and end up in the hospital because the mother/father told him "No! Get away from the pool!"

Now if this were an 8-year-old kid we're talking about, then it would be different. But even then, an 8-year-old should STILL be under a parent's supervision especially when around animals.
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:21 AM
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It's just something that happened. I don't think she's BLAMING her kid, she's just saying it was the kid's fault and the dog wasn't totally psycho. I'd do the same thing in her situation. The dog didn't "attack", it snapped and connected. It didn't repeatedly bite, rip, shake, or in any other way intent to cause serious harm. It probably didn't even MEAN to bite, it probably just meant to snap.

She needs to watch them more closely, definately, and watch the dog for odd behavior. But otherwise, i think she's right to keep the dog, as it sounds like an accident that happened in a normal household with a decently behaved dog and a toddler.
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:24 AM
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A 2-year-old kid doesn't "deserve" anything. A 2-year-old is an innocent yet inquisitve creature hell-bent on exploring the world around him and learning all about it. It is the parents' responsibility to make his explorations safe! And does a 2-year-old know what the word "no" means? Maybe. But is he capable of understanding the rationale behind the use of the word? No. Again, that is why it is the parents' job to make sure he stays out of dangerous situations....exactly what this own child was in at the time.

Yes pulling a dog's ears constantly can warrant a nip or bite. But a 2-year-old doesn't deserve that bite.....the mother or father who sat back and allowed it to happen does. It's like saying that a 2-year-old deserved to fall head-first into the deep end of the pool and end up in the hospital because the mother/father told him "No! Get away from the pool!"

Now if this were an 8-year-old kid we're talking about, then it would be different. But even then, an 8-year-old should STILL be under a parent's supervision especially when around animals.
Great post Unfortunately, i know people who do "blame" their one and two year olds when they get hurt. The kid runs in the street and they just scream "JAYDAAAAAA GET OUT OF THE F***ING STREET. YOU'RE SO STUPID, GET OUT OF THE STREET YOU STUPID F***ING KID." (and then they're scream at their 8 and 9 year old daughters "YOU F***ING C*** GET THE BABY OUT OF THE STREET!" )
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Old 02-05-2008, 11:01 AM
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it was definitely the mothers fault... she was too busy with her own life to protect her child. The child should not have been allowed to pull on the dogs ears. But what if the child had been walking and fell and accidently hurt the dog and the dog snapped? what then?

HOWEVER, with that said....

if any of my dogs EVER EVER EVER bites Hannah... they are gone. I don't care what anyone thinks about it. I will do my best to make sure she doesn't pull on their ears or their tails or whatever else. But like I said up top what if it was a total unpreventable accident? she's learning to walk and falls on the dogs paw or something? dog gets hurt and lashes out.... acceptable? NO WAY.

My dogs can count on me to take action.... they do NOT take action themselves. So if they EVER lay a tooth on her in any threatening manner...t hey are out and I don't care whose fault it is. I will NOT EVER jeopardize my kids safety because "dogs have feelings too" Sure they do... but biting is unacceptable... PERIOD.

and I don't care what anyone thinks about that.
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Old 02-05-2008, 11:44 AM
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If the child has a fear of the dog, the child should not be forced to live with the dog...deserved or not. That is a phobia in the making. I'd never force my child to live with an animal that they were terrified of.

If the child is over it...no big...but if the child is afraid...IMO allowing the dog to stay is detrimental to the child's mental health and sense of security with it's parent.
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I think the mother in this situation was awfully lucky that her dog showed as much restraint as she did. A big dog biting a 2 year old child in the face and only leaving that amount of damage? That dog didn't intend harm.
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