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Old 01-22-2008, 02:12 AM
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Leaving an infant unattended with a high-drive dog is just as bad as leaving them alone in a bathtub with a hair dryer on the ledge.

It also pains me to see this turn into a breed argument. The real tragedy here is the needless death of a baby, not what kind of dog inflicted the damage.
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Old 01-22-2008, 03:26 AM
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I need to go hug my baby now.
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Old 01-22-2008, 07:38 AM
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Each and every breed of dog and mixed breed is capable of doing this! If it's got teeth, it can and will bite given the chance and the circumstance. It's just people have their heads so far up their own butts that they refuse to see that they own dogs......not little humans with 4 legs.


I'm not sure if you were meaning to be offensive or if I just took it that way. I wouldn't leave my child along with a 15-year-old Pug if given the chance. I don't care what breed of dog or mixed breed of dog it is, YOU NEVER LEAVE CHILDREN ALONE WITH DOGS! Or even cats for that matter! Cats have suffocated infants and killed them while others have attacked them as well. People need to wake-up to reality and be responsible.
Oh no. I'm not meaning to be offensive. At all. You shouldn't leave any infant alone with a dog. Ever. Whether its a pug, pekingnese, a pit bull, or a poodle. Same with cats for that matter. But I'm just stunned that someone would leave an infant alone with a terrier . . . they are BRED to kill small, helpless, squeaking things. Its sort of . . . that was spectacularly stupid. It was beyond the normal stupidity of leaving a baby with a dog . . . it was leaving a baby alone with a dog that had been bred to kill things resembling babies and that, from my experience, will go to spectacular lengths to satisfy their prey drive. I don't think JRTs (or pit bulls) are "dangerous dogs" but there are certain breeds where extreme caution should be taken in certain situations.

My parents actually rehomed a terrier after my mother came pregant and the terrier had shown that he would do ANYTHING to get to the cats. That an he bit Mom when she tried to stop him. She told my father to find another home for the dog (he did). She was not going to trust that terrier (I think it was a JRT, but of course, I wasn't there) with her baby in the house. (Notably, the other house dogs were not exiled, just shut out of the nursery.) I don't think all people with terriers should rehome them at pregancy, of course. But they should be very, very aware of what their little dog is . . . and take precautions . . . more extreme precautions than you might with another breed.

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Oh we do get the biased opinions and the oh I hate JRTs they are viscous little dogs... And to be honest many people (a scary number really) will then point to some scar on their body..and say "my brother's JRT" or who ever's JRT bit me. I always wonder where all these biting JRTs come from, and what the owners do about it. I have had JRT owners come up to me at petshows and things like the sportsman show where the JRT club has a booth to educate about JRTs, and say ohhh my dog could never do that (and then point and Snip on the booth table just loving every human who comes past). I have even had ppl tell me they cannot touch their own JRT, for fear it will bite them.
The JRT rescue is the only rescue I know that willingly takes dogs who have bitten.
Now all that is just unfair to the breed. They are difficult little dogs, but they can be real gems. But if you are going to get a breed . . . for the love of god learn something about it! Know what you are getting into! Read a book!

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Leaving an infant unattended with a high-drive dog is just as bad as leaving them alone in a bathtub with a hair dryer on the ledge.
Yes, and that was really my point. But I have never met a terrier that wasn't high drive. I've met some more so than others, but never one of the common terrier breeds that I would leave alone with ANYTHING else alive unless it was twice its size and I'd been even more careful with children since terriers don't tend to put up with people yanking on their extremities. Any high drive dog would be dangerous, but virtually all terriers are high drive.
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Old 01-22-2008, 10:04 AM
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my point was that so many byb and pet stores will assure people that the dogs they sell are fine. They see 'Eddie' on fraiser, or Wishbone, and see a 'uberperfect' unrealistic dog. The media seems to tell people 'only bad dogs' bite people.

I get so many clients who say, "my dog growled at me the other day, I thought he was a good dog?" And are so shocked.

We are taught as children that drowning is a danger, we are taught that having a plugged in appliance by the tub is dangerous. But really we must remember we here at Chaz are the 'experts' compared to the general public. I have friends at school, even professors who are smart people, but who have the craziest ideas about how a dog's mind work. These people anthropomorphize dogs worse than a Disney film.

So while it is obvious to us, its not obvious to many people. And this makes it scarier to me than anything else. It is the public's idea that only 'bad dogs' or dogs with something wrong with them do things like this, that fuel breed bans. Yes the people SHOULD know these things. But as we know common sense is all but common. So who is educating them?

I will tell you.. groups like PETA-through the HSUS, the media who loves a 'good story' the polititians who jump on the BSL bandwagon. They all want you to believe only bad dogs do bad things. So of course the general public looks down at fluffy and says, my dog is a good dog, therefore I don't have to worry about her harming anyone.
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Old 01-22-2008, 11:03 AM
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I left my two kiddos asleep on the bed plenty as a parent...in the middle before they can turn over...I am not always in the room staring at them while they sleep either.

Perhaps the dog was simply "at large" in the home...a housedog...and the door was open...my dogs would stay with me most times because I am more interesting. But I can see this scenario when you trust your dog...or your cats for that matter.

The same thing could have happened with a playpen in the den...a swing in the living room. When babies are sleeping, you let them sleep and you get things done you need to...you don't stare at them 100% of the time. IF you have a housedog that is in the home...the dog has access to the baby many times during the course of the day. But most dogs will stay with their owners,....perhaps this one didn't.

They should have closed the door...but perhaps they did not have a monitor to be able to hear the baby's cries upon waking.

Many things unanswered. But I just didn't get that the dog was sealed inside a room and left alone....by the parents here.

eta: I suppose that when one has a baby one could simply put the dog outside and leave it there full time, too, or just get rid of it....wonder how that would go over.
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Old 01-22-2008, 03:15 PM
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no dog of any breed should be left alone or allowed to roam a house were there are infants that and animal could find with out supervision it's just horrible
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Old 01-22-2008, 03:54 PM
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My family always had dog/baby gates up when I was tiny . . . they couldn't actually close the doors, there was no air conditioning in the house. They were big, well made gates . . . and otherwise the two dogs in the house (a standard poodle and a corgi) roamed freely . . . just not where I was (I also had a traditional crib with high sides). So its not like you have to close up your house to keep the dog out of somewhere, at least, not unless you have a climber . . . and once the kid starts crawling, I'd say baby gates are a necessity. Its not HARD to keep the dog out, in most cases. The problem, I suppose, is knowing you have to keep the dog out. ( I have no idea what they did about the cats . . . probably nothing, but if I remember, I'll ask)

But Dekka is right. We're fast to judge because we know better, and, most importantly, we know that we SHOULD know . . . that we (and any one else who gets a dog) should learn enough about dog behavior, and their breed in particular, that they will know about dangers like this. The shame is that when this does happen, everyone tends to blame the dog . . . or call it an 'accident.' It WAS an accident, and a mistake on the part of the dog . . .but its annoying when its an accident from a small dog and a vicious attack from a large one . . . actually, both large and small dogs likely made the same, understandable mistake . . . they didn't recognize the baby as a human 'pup.' Its such an avoidable tragedy . . . for everyone involved.
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Old 01-22-2008, 04:15 PM
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we did the "tent" thing on the crib for cats. One could always wear the baby lol. I know some folks do that.
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Old 01-22-2008, 05:15 PM
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Our cat slept in the crib with our daughter. In fact, our cat slept in the crib before the baby was born! She just joined him.

Our baby didn't sleep in the crib as a newborn, though. She slept in a cradle by our bed. She was probably 6 months old before she moved into her own room.

We didn't have a dog with a baby until the 3rd one came along. The dog was a Pug, and I don't remember how the dog and baby interacted or if the dog even noticed the baby. No problems, though. I would definitely have remembered that!!
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Old 01-22-2008, 07:42 PM
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Dekka, when did the CC and RR change the policy on taking in jrts that bit?
Just a few short years ago, taking dogs in that had a history of bitting wasn't allowed because of the law suits.
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