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Old 01-12-2008, 04:25 PM
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OutlineACDs- She's approximately 2 years old. I do hope that once they get used to each other, Carlie won't have this problem again, but I agree with Buddy'sParents that it's not going to clear up on its own.

Buddy'sParents- Thank you for the links. I'll look at those and do some searching within the forum as well. Do you think she got it because because she's stressed out with the new dog being here? Do you think once she gets used to Vixie being around, it won't be as bad? I really hope so. I'll look at the holistic approach so that if she gets it again after we treat it this time, we'll try getting rid of it that way (especially because I don't really think the antibiotics will keep working if she gets it again in the future.) What is the holistic way, basically?
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Old 01-12-2008, 04:34 PM
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Antibiotics and a cream for the affected areas won't kill the mites or make them clear up faster. Antibiotics will just prevent and treat secondary infection that can be caused by them. The only things that can clear up and cure demodex are 1. oral Ivomec 2. Miteban (sp) dips or 3.) fixing what is causing the problem with the immune system in the first place / immune boosting and support.

I suggest you watch her very closely to be sure that her spots stay localized. Adult onset demodex (shows up after 2 years) can be much more serious than puppy demodex and can be harder to get a handle on.

What is the cream that you are using?
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Old 01-12-2008, 04:43 PM
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Do you think she got it because because she's stressed out with the new dog being here?
Yes, I do. Have no fear, though. Buddy got his first reaction -if I remember correctly, I could be wrong, though- after we got Banzai. The first go around we just did what the vet said.. but obviously it didn't work because they came back.

Being somewhat disgusted with the vet, I turned to Mordy, who offered support for both of us. We boosted his immune system with supplements and went about attacking the demodex with a holistic approach. It was a lot of work, but well worth it in the end.



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Do you think once she gets used to Vixie being around, it won't be as bad? I really hope so. I'll look at the holistic approach so that if she gets it again after we treat it this time, we'll try getting rid of it that way (especially because I don't really think the antibiotics will keep working if she gets it again in the future.) What is the holistic way, basically?
Yes, I do think that after she adjusts to Vixie being around, it won't be as bad- but you need to jump on it right away so that it does not come back. Because Mordy created the plan herself, I don't feel comfortable sharing details, if you do a search for me and demodex, you'll find some of what I have shared. I hesitate to share it because it won't be the same for every dog and I don't want a lurker to read it and say, hey, I'll try that and have anything go wrong. PM me if you'd like more information or want to contact Mordy.
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Old 01-12-2008, 04:56 PM
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I'm not sure if anyone else mention this all ready, but those spots could be 'hot spots'. My dog had the same thing, and I bought Sulfodene, it's a first aid skin medication for "hot spots associated with scracthing, hair loss and redness."
It can be bought almost anywhere I believe. Pet stores and Walmart are the places I've seen it.
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Old 01-12-2008, 07:43 PM
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Antibiotics and a cream for the affected areas won't kill the mites or make them clear up faster. Antibiotics will just prevent and treat secondary infection that can be caused by them. The only things that can clear up and cure demodex are 1. oral Ivomec 2. Miteban (sp) dips or 3.) fixing what is causing the problem with the immune system in the first place / immune boosting and support.

I suggest you watch her very closely to be sure that her spots stay localized. Adult onset demodex (shows up after 2 years) can be much more serious than puppy demodex and can be harder to get a handle on.

What is the cream that you are using?
Well, if what the vet gave us doesn't work, that'll really irk me. The cream is called Goodwinol. It's active ingredients are: Benzocaine (a pain reliever) and Rotenone (an insecticide/pesticide). Shouldn't the Rotenone kill the mites then? My vet said dips are not necessary at this point because she only has a few small spots. If they get bigger or she gets more of them, then we will do dips. I was wondering if there is a way to boost her immune system considering the problem with her immune system is what caused the problem in the first place. Do you know of something she can take to boost her immune system? Thank you for your input.

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Yes, I do. Have no fear, though. Buddy got his first reaction -if I remember correctly, I could be wrong, though- after we got Banzai. The first go around we just did what the vet said.. but obviously it didn't work because they came back.

Being somewhat disgusted with the vet, I turned to Mordy, who offered support for both of us. We boosted his immune system with supplements and went about attacking the demodex with a holistic approach. It was a lot of work, but well worth it in the end.

Yes, I do think that after she adjusts to Vixie being around, it won't be as bad- but you need to jump on it right away so that it does not come back. Because Mordy created the plan herself, I don't feel comfortable sharing details, if you do a search for me and demodex, you'll find some of what I have shared. I hesitate to share it because it won't be the same for every dog and I don't want a lurker to read it and say, hey, I'll try that and have anything go wrong. PM me if you'd like more information or want to contact Mordy.
Okay, I understand about not wanting to post details on the holistic approach here. I'll probably PM you for some info. Do you remember what your vet gave you to "get rid of the mites?" I wonder if it was similar to what I was given..(I put the info about the cream we were given above). Vets seem to like to just get your money these days and I really hope that isn't what happened here. What do you think about the Rotenone that is in the cream I was given? Thank you for all your help.
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The cream is called Goodwinol.
Goodwinol is commonly used to treat 1-2 outbreak spots.

However, I personally don't call outbreak areas on the body "localized." Most research only considers "localized" to be 2 or less lesions on the head or neck. When on the body and more than 2 lesions, it's generalized.
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Old 01-12-2008, 08:47 PM
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Goodwinol did nothing for us. It was a waste of money. Are you to bathe her? What is the total treatment the vet gave you?
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Goodwinol is commonly used to treat 1-2 outbreak spots.

However, I personally don't call outbreak areas on the body "localized." Most research only considers "localized" to be 2 or less lesions on the head or neck. When on the body and more than 2 lesions, it's generalized.
Well, that sucks if that's true. The vet saw all the spots and said it's still considered "localized." She doesn't have any spots on her head or neck which I know is where it usually starts so maybe that's why he's saying it's localized (because it's only near the back of her body -on her tail, back, and one leg).

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Goodwinol did nothing for us. It was a waste of money. Are you to bathe her? What is the total treatment the vet gave you?
The vet said we could bathe her. The total treatment is to put the Goodwinol ointment on her spots daily and to give her half a pill of the antibiotic daily and to see if it improves. We take her back in a little less than a month to do another skin scrape.
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Well, that sucks if that's true. The vet saw all the spots and said it's still considered "localized." She doesn't have any spots on her head or neck which I know is where it usually starts so maybe that's why he's saying it's localized (because it's only near the back of her body -on her tail, back, and one leg).



The vet said we could bathe her. The total treatment is to put the Goodwinol ointment on her spots daily and to give her half a pill of the antibiotic daily and to see if it improves. We take her back in a little less than a month to do another skin scrape.
DO NOT DO THE DIPS!! They are very toxic and can have some very horrible side effects. Yes they are effective, but if you have to go to a more serious treatment then find a vet who will prescribe Ivomec. It's much more effective and although not labeled for demodex treatment in dogs, much less toxic than the Miteban dips.
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Old 01-12-2008, 09:33 PM
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We did Miteban dips the first time around- they are toxic (but so is doing oral Ivermectin) and Buddy was fine.

I would work on boosting her immune system as well as bathing her. The Goodwinol is not enough to get rid of it, in my opinion. *grumbles* Vets drive me nuts.
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