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Old 01-10-2008, 11:26 AM
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Cato, go pick a stupid fight somewhere else. This is not the time nor the thread for it.

Debi, I am so sorry the breeder was such a jerk to you and I'm doubly sorry that Hammie is having problems at such a young age.
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Old 01-10-2008, 11:30 AM
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yes...I DO want precise xrays. this is more than me feeling there might be a problem. I know there is. by day 2 on the Deramaxx...I knew he wasn't going to 'feel better'. it has helped his pain, but he isn't going to get better. altho...for the grace of love..he seems to be feeling no intense pain right now. (that would be him not screaming or rolling around in pain..or whining. if THAT doesn't just break your heart, I don't know what does) I'd LOVE to know your supplements. when you have time, I'd REALLY appreciate a PM of what you give your girl. and...for a millionth (uh..is that even a word..lol) time...lol........THANKS.
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Old 01-10-2008, 12:07 PM
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It might be better to just put it here, Debi, in case others are interested.

Ask your vet about a pain reliever called TRAMADOL. Many dogs get excellent relief from it, and it does not carry the risks of serious liver damage or death that Deramaxx does. It is inexpensive. I have not noticed any side effects from this drug either.

Supplements I use include Ester C (1500 mgs per day, you want to work up to this doseage gradually starting with 500 or so), Natural Vitamin E (400IU per day), and PhytoFlex CCM+ from Nature's Farmacy. I also use a good overall vitamin supplement from NF called DogZyme's Ultimate, mainly because I feed a raw diet.

You can find Nature's Farmacy at http://www.naturesfarmacy.com Call them up, they are very nice to speak to on the phone and very helpful.

I believe that the raw grain free diet has also contributed to helping my ED+ girl feel more sound.
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Old 01-10-2008, 12:43 PM
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As far as sedation goes - its best to get a sedation but anesthesia isn't necesary in most cases.

At work we just give them a general sedation which just makes them dopey - yet fully concious. That way they aren't moving around, or get too nervous during an Xray.

When Riot got his OFA hips and elbows done, he was sedated. It wore off fairly quickly with him. I would have prefered to get them done without anything but he wouldn't hold still enough for that. Plus with the OFA Xrays they have to pull and twist their legs in a certain position to get them perfect. We had to re-do his Elbow Xrays because it wasn't good enough to be sent into the OFA (his leg was slightly off the film).

If you decide to go through the OFA route - ask for a LIGHT sedation - nothing that requires them to be completely out.

Edited: Just to add in to Reds post above - we have a few dogs on Tramadol at work and they are doing better on that then they were on Deramaxx. I'd never want Riot on Deramaxx permanently - it really does go straight through their liver.
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Old 01-10-2008, 01:12 PM
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great. Deramaxx is probably hurting his liver. and my vet is putting him completely under. not a 'general sedation'. at this point.......I just don't know what to think. so...whatever. with any situation, I suppose it all goes according to what your vet thinks...or does. I'm sorry I asked. not to mean I am trying to offend anyone..........just sorry I asked. like......sorry this even is a consideration...like...life sucks. as to the subject of elbow dysplasia...........forget it. feel good that your breeder did hip studies...and just go with the flow of life. as for OFA...I could care less. send all these results to them.. yeah, big deal. it is a guideline, but that is ALL it is.
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Old 01-10-2008, 01:31 PM
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One thing to consider, Debi, is IF your dog is affected, when you sent the results to OFA, this is recorded in their data base FOREVER. People planning breedings, etc, in the future will be able to access these records. This is important to breeders. As awful as it is that your guy has issues, one thing that can come of it that is positive is that you can provide this information so that it is available to future breeders.

However your vet has decided to proceed with the radiographic exam of your dog is probably what is best for your dog right now. One reason why people are suggesting to send the info to OFA is so that it can be accessed in the future. You also get the films evaluated by three different radiologist/orthopedic specialists.

The other reason we are telling you about OFA is because films have to be taken and identifed in a specific manner in order to be submitted to OFA.

Wishing you all success, and hoping you get a better report than you are expecting.
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:14 PM
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ED and HD is not always inherited; it can be environmental.

There are several things owners can do to minimize the chances of a dog having HD or ED.

Not feeding puppy food {but rather an all lifestages food} so the growth rate is not too fast

Exercise; impact jumping, running should be limited until puppy is at the bare minimum a year old.

The last time I research this topic
60% environmental
40% inherited

I will try to find the vet link where I found this information for you.

For xrays: the least amount of sedation as possible. The OFA website has this information on it and they like to see muscle elasticity still!
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:25 PM
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One thing to consider, Debi, is IF your dog is affected, when you sent the results to OFA, this is recorded in their data base FOREVER. People planning breedings, etc, in the future will be able to access these records. This is important to breeders. As awful as it is that your guy has issues, one thing that can come of it that is positive is that you can provide this information so that it is available to future breeders.

I really second this. It will help also potential buyers who want to research the lineage and find out if issues exist in those lines.

Sorry your pup is having problems.
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:36 PM
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ED and HD is not always inherited; it can be environmental.

There are several things owners can do to minimize the chances of a dog having HD or ED.

Not feeding puppy food {but rather an all lifestages food} so the growth rate is not too fast

Exercise; impact jumping, running should be limited until puppy is at the bare minimum a year old.

The last time I research this topic
60% environmental
40% inherited

I will try to find the vet link where I found this information for you.

For xrays: the least amount of sedation as possible. The OFA website has this information on it and they like to see muscle elasticity still!
did you not read where I specifically said I did NOT feed incorrectly? as to exercise...again, I didn't do what is implied. xrays......helloooooo..........my vet is in charge of the sedation, and I am at his mercy on this. so....when you post information, post something new.
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:42 PM
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If your really worried about his liver values you can always run a Wellness Plus blood panel on him.

I ran that on Riot before I got his OFA stuff done and it shows all of the internal organ values and how they are doing. Riots ALT levels were slighty low (not meaning anything.. usually they are high if there was a problem -part of the liver values).

How long has Hammie been on Deramaxx for?
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