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Old 12-28-2007, 10:27 AM
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Then you've never met Tigger and Rover.

I've never seen two dogs (that aren't in a sport, mind you) that are more handler-oriented.

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well, there's always an exception

but having had four GSD's and having been close friends with a dobe breeder was where i was speaking from. my gsd's were very bonded to me, but once they had their toy, it was like "i got what i came for, i'll see ya later."
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Old 12-28-2007, 10:33 AM
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The GSDs I've met (my grandmother had several) are not overly fawning. They will not follow you to the bathroom, and may actually let you move into another room without them following. I've heard that this would be very unusual for a Dobe.

Double coats= necessity if you want to be active in the cold and rain.

Single coats are better if you want to be able to stay out of the rain, or use them as a bed warmer (more heat escapes to the human!)
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Old 12-28-2007, 06:11 PM
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The GSDs I've met (my grandmother had several) are not overly fawning. They will not follow you to the bathroom, and may actually let you move into another room without them following. I've heard that this would be very unusual for a Dobe.
Double coats= necessity if you want to be active in the cold and rain.

Single coats are better if you want to be able to stay out of the rain, or use them as a bed warmer (more heat escapes to the human!)

It is for the dobes I know as well. Orson LITTERALLY MUST be touching us as much as possible. If he is not able to squeeze in and lay with us.........he will lay at our feet TOUCHING them in some way, LOL

But remember......THAT is what they were bred for in the first place, Personal Protection, not GUARD DOG........but a BODY GUARD. So it is in their make up to want to keep you close enough to 'keep an eye' on you at all times
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Old 12-28-2007, 06:42 PM
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Thank you for the information everybody
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Old 12-28-2007, 07:49 PM
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I agree with ACooper and corgipower - Dobes are the quintessential bodyguards. It's what they were created for, it's what they live for.

Dobes = less coat, no tumbleweeds of hair! But it's a double edged sword, some Dobermans need winter protection since their coat does not naturally provide it. And if you've never had a Doberman Hair Splinter in the sole of your foot before... you. have. been. warned.

I want a good GSD someday, but IMO it's easier to find a good dobe than it is to find a good GSD... the fault of the exaggerated show type I think. I don't want a GSD as long as a limo with its butt dragging on the ground, but at the same time I don't want an uber-working line dog descended from generations of podium dogs. Finding the happy medium has proved to be quite a challenge.

Now, if I was looking for a good dobe... that's relatively easy!
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Old 12-28-2007, 08:53 PM
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I think dobes are more serius in public with strangers than the GSD.

Sadly 90% of the medium or large sized mixed dogs here are GSD mixed with dobe + unknow genes
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While I own / breed Dobermans, I train with a GSD breeder / owner / trainer. Consequently, there are a lot of GSDs in her classes as they are often her puppies and their owners.

It *seems* that you can drill a GSD for a lot longer than a Doberman. The GSDs don't seem to mind doing the same exercise over and over, while the Doberman is like I did it 3 times, I got it right, let's move on. The Doberman gets bored. The Doberman is a thinking breed, often described as not blindly obedient. They say that it is one of the reasons that police forces don't use them much these days - that the Doberman is not going to run into a burning building because you tell it to, it's going to stop and think h'mmm, that doesn't seem safe, how else can I accomplish this task? While other breeds will do as told because they were told. I see the GSDs in class to be like that - they do what they are asked, while the Doberman tries to put a new spin on exercises. I just don't see the sense of humour (usually) in the GSDs that I see often that I do in Dobermans. They make fun of my Dobermans and their "prissiness", the way they don't really want to lie down on the cold mats or in the dewy grass while the GSDs just plop down as told.

I'm not saying the Dobe is better than the GSD (they are for me, but not for everyone). I'm just commenting on some of what I see.
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Old 12-28-2007, 10:16 PM
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While I own / breed Dobermans, I train with a GSD breeder / owner / trainer. Consequently, there are a lot of GSDs in her classes as they are often her puppies and their owners.

It *seems* that you can drill a GSD for a lot longer than a Doberman. The GSDs don't seem to mind doing the same exercise over and over, while the Doberman is like I did it 3 times, I got it right, let's move on. The Doberman gets bored. The Doberman is a thinking breed, often described as not blindly obedient. They say that it is one of the reasons that police forces don't use them much these days - that the Doberman is not going to run into a burning building because you tell it to, it's going to stop and think h'mmm, that doesn't seem safe, how else can I accomplish this task? While other breeds will do as told because they were told. I see the GSDs in class to be like that - they do what they are asked, while the Doberman tries to put a new spin on exercises. I just don't see the sense of humour (usually) in the GSDs that I see often that I do in Dobermans. They make fun of my Dobermans and their "prissiness", the way they don't really want to lie down on the cold mats or in the dewy grass while the GSDs just plop down as told.

I'm not saying the Dobe is better than the GSD (they are for me, but not for everyone). I'm just commenting on some of what I see.
Sounds kinda like the GSD is more dedicated in what they do? Or they have more drive?
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Old 12-29-2007, 08:33 AM
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I don't think I would look at it that way Reggin.

What I got out of Mary's post is this........and please correct me if I am wrong Mary.

Think of the GSD as an intelligent soldier, but STILL as soldier that follows your every command (once trained) If the commander orders everyone to jump ship even though the ship is perfectly fine, and there was no logical reason, the GSD would do it because he was told to. (good soldier)

Now think of the Doberman as an intelligent civilian. Give him the same order to jump ship..........the ship is fine and there is nobody in the water needing saved. The doberman is going to think "why? that water is cold and you don't NEED me to jump in do you?" That's not to say he wouldn't do it..........it means he would think about it and try to figure out a better way, LOL

Dobes have dedication and drive galore.........they just like to have their own thoughts as well.
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