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Old 07-09-2005, 10:39 AM
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I agree flint river is best. You can find them on my site too
http://www.puppypassport.com
It's definitely not the best. Compare the ingredients to Innova, and you will see the difference. Unless you think that chicken meal is better than chicken?

It's decent food, like royal canin or nutro, but there's definitely better out there. I'm not American, and I'm amazed that it's allowed to flat out lie to sell a product here.

But ok, Renee said it more politely than I did :P
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Old 07-09-2005, 04:57 PM
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Unless you think that chicken meal is better than chicken?
actually, in a dry food you'd generally want a meat in meal form (chicken meal, lamb meal, etc.), simply because fresh meat still contains a lot of water. ingredients are listed in order by descending weight before processing, so the meat with water content will lose around 75% of its weight once the food is processed, effectively moving the meat down several positions on the list.

on the other hand, fresh meat only goes through one processing step instead of two, so ideally a food has both fresh meats and meals - such as innova does for example.

however, if i had to choose between two foods of otherwise equal quality, and one only had fresh meat listed as protein sources and the other only meats in meal forms, i'd pick the one with the meals because it has a higher meat content and less grain.
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Old 07-09-2005, 05:33 PM
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Thanks Mordy, that's good to know! I'm so glad we have you around here, I've learned so much about dog foods...

My main problem with that food was that there is no meat except meal, as compared to Innova that has both.


Flint river ranch adult :

INGREDIENTS: Chicken Meal, Whole Wheat Flour, Ground Rice, Lamb Meal, Poultry Fat (Preserved with Tocopherols and Ascorbic Acid), Ground Whole Wheat, Flax Seed, Dried Whole Egg, Lecithin, Fish Meal, Brewers Dried Yeast, Wheat Germ Meal, Dried Kelp, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Monosodium Phosphate, Choline Chloride, Ferrous Sulfate, DL-Alpha Tocopherol Acetate (Source of Vitamin E), Zinc Oxide, Sodium Selenite, Manganous Oxide, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B2), Copper Sulphate, Amino Acid Chelates of Zinc, Iron, Manganese, Copper and Cobalt, Niacin, Ascorbic Acid (Source of Vitamin C), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, D-Biotin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Source of Vitamin B6), Calcium Iodate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement.


Innova (adult)


Turkey
Chicken
Chicken Meal
Ground Barley
Ground Brown Rice
Potatoes
Natural Flavors
Ground White Rice
Chicken Fat
Herring
Apples
Carrots
Cottage Cheese
Sunflower Oil
Alfalfa Sprouts
Egg
Garlic
Taurine
Vitamins/Minerals
Viable Naturally Occurring Microorganisms


No comparison...
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Old 07-09-2005, 05:42 PM
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no, no comparison at all. i've addressed some of the issues with FRR food in another thread as well.
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I've been feeding Sawyer Iams Chunks just about the whole time I've had him; I tried feeding him Nutro Natural,not to be confused, apparently, with Nutro Max Natural Diet (I think this is what his foster mom had been feeding him) and he wouldn't touch it unless he was desperately hungry and/or I mixed in a raw egg. He did terrible on it and started exhibiting all the signs of a bad diet. So I tried mixing in a bit of Iams and he nosed out all the Nutro and went strictly for the Chunks.

All that info is leading up to this question: is it possible to get a sample of Innova to see if he will eat it before going and buying a whole bag of it? I don't know if Sawyer is terribly picky or what, but I'm on a pretty tight budget. I want to do the best by my dog but if he won't eat the food, it could be the fountain of youth and it wouldn't matter.
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Old 07-11-2005, 10:46 PM
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All that info is leading up to this question: is it possible to get a sample of Innova to see if he will eat it before going and buying a whole bag of it?
absolutely! most pet food manufacturers will be happy to send you a sample.

you can email natura at [email protected] and ask. if you are on a tight budget, you can also check if any of your local pet or feed stores carry healthwise ( which is natura's "economy" line) or would be willing to special order it for you. it's made from the same high quality ingredients.
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Old 07-11-2005, 10:51 PM
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how does chicken soup stack up against innove? trying to choose between the 2. I dont mean chicken soup like campbells chicken soup. chicken soup the brand of dog food.
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Old 07-11-2005, 11:12 PM
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well from what I have heard about it (I've just asked about this too). It's ok food, it's not the best, but it's better than pedigree or Iams or any type you'd find in a regular supermarket. I feed my puppy the chicken soup for the puppy lover's soul and she LOVES it. Chicken soup and pedigree are the only two canned products that I can get my pup to eat and I like mixing it in with her kibble to give her a little extra moisture.
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Old 07-12-2005, 12:32 AM
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chicken soup is a food is a "rip off" product that was specifically made to look very similar to the innova formulation on paper. quality wise it doesn't even come close tho.

that being said, it is a much better alternative to popular mainstream brands like science diet, nutro, iams, eukanuba and definitely all grocery store/mass retailer products, but it doesn't measure up to the really high end foods.
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Old 07-12-2005, 01:37 AM
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yeah well it's the only canned food I can get my girl to eat besides Pedigree and it's better than pedigree. I like adding the canned food into her kibble and if that's the canned food she likes than that's what she gets. I feed her a high quality kibble (Eagle Pack) so it's not like I'm feed her a diet of nothing but crap!
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