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12-01-2007, 02:06 PM
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12-01-2007, 04:19 PM
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It doesn't matter whether the gardener was a illegal immigarant, a legal immigrant, black, white, brown, yellow, red or green. The same basic facts could happen with a gardener of any race, from any nation. The only thing in this case that might be different is that the entire event might have occured in English. (and since dogs don't speak English or Spanish, the only issue there is one of the owner's possible negligence in warning) That's it. And I agree with the gardener's lawyer . . . it a little spooky that people are supporting Cogno BECAUSE the gardener was an illegal immigrant. It shouldn't matter. Not on the issue whether Congo lives or dies. If you are supporting Congo, it should be because you believe the family's account and feel that he is not a vicious or dangerous dog and was only doing what he thought he had to do. Should an illegal have the right to sue over this? . . . Well, they do, but you can disupte whether they should be able to. But that isn't the issue: this is not about money anymore (that was settled in the insurance judgement). Its about whether Congo is dangerous. If he's dangerous, then I presume he is not checking to see if you are a citizen or not before he bites you. If he's not dangerous, then he's not dangerous to citizen's and immigrants alike. On a separate note: The reason I chose the family's story for my examples above was simply because it was the only coherent story I've heard . . the version told by the AC is fragmentary and spattered with discredited 'facts' about dogs, such as raw meat makes them vicious. We're never actually heard the gardener's version of the tale, only that it has changed 3 times. That makes me pretty inclined to believe the version that hasn't changed . . . As far as I can tell, there isn't too much disupute about what happened . . . it seems centered on the degree of the gardener's provokation, the responsibility of the owners and the violence of Congo's response . . . basically, whether Congo is vicious because of the damage he did, and whether or not the dogs were actually hit with the rake. The other issue seems to be whether the gardener got enough warning from the owners, which has little to do with Congo. Its not the big facts, but the details that are in dispute . . . that and what makes a dog a vicious dog as opposed to one protecting its human and canine family.
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#23
12-01-2007, 05:11 PM
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Honestly, those who have an agenda, whether it's race, immigration or the price of Chinese widgets are going to use any highly publicized story they can twist to serve as fodder for propaganda for their ends.
 Looking at Congo, his size and obvious strength, and then seeing the bites on the gardener . . . well, if Congo were truly a vicious dog those bites would have been a lot worse and the gardener would be missing rather large pieces of himself rather than a series of puncture wounds. Looks to me like Congo was the soul of discretion with those bites. And, like Lilavati so aptly pointed out, it's highly doubtful that Congo checked for the guy's work permit 
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#24
12-02-2007, 06:41 AM
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Has anyone read any of the news storys included in this blog?
http://lassiegethelp.blogspot.com/20...lypse-doh.html I will warn you, the blog writer doesn't seem to have to much sympathy for Congo and his family.
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12-02-2007, 07:55 AM
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I still think the issue shouldn't be (and if that law passes won't be) the negligence of the owners, but rather how Congo acted in response to the gardener's behavior . . . which we don't have updates on. Still, I think much less of the family when I find out the dog's were not vaccinated (I assume that means rabies, because other vaccinates are not required in most areas) and not liscensed (they can CLEARLY afford to pay the nominal charge). I had thought, with the raw diet and the info available, that they were responsible small breeders . . . I now have my doubts. One thing I do totally agree on, though, is what the heck does the gardener's race and nationality have to do with it? It really doesn't help Congo at all . . . what was a question of dog behavior, of the rights of dog owners (not vs. immigrants, just in general) and the "rights" of dogs to be judged by their own standards, and not asked to have human intelligence and judgement . . .has become a poitical issue laden with some of the most controversial issues in our country . . . the superior court judge will know that, and will have to fight the urge to comdemn Congo just so that he doesn't seem racist (judges are human). That's not fair to the judge and it sure as hell isn't fair to Congo. The other thing I agree on, is why such outrages as the Ohio situation do not motovate people to protest. He's right on that. 180 days in jail for walking a dog never found vicious? Give me a break.
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12-02-2007, 03:09 PM
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It's sad how a lot of the blogs relating this story have deteriorated into whether the gardener was illegal or not and if you support Congo's law, then you're obviously xenophobic or hate humans. On the plus side, I know where a lot of the crazy people are lurking!
Lilavati: Read through the post and I have to ask - how do you take 'reasonable' precautions to warn people to stay out of your fenced yard if your stupid insurance company refuses to let you put up 'Beware of Dog' signs? Their position is that if I put up the sign, then I'm acknowledging my dogs might bite a would-be trespasser or burglar and they would refuse to pay if I'm sued by the lawbreaker. If I would contain my dogs so my house and property can be burglarized in relative safety for the robber, then I can put up a sign. How do you fix stupid??? P.S. I do have No Trespassing, No Hunting signs and tried putting up a Beware of Mice sign (darned things blew up the neighbor's truck - they're dangerous!) but the insurance agent made me take that one down. My next sign, I think, is going to be the 'Beware of... Well, just beware' sign I saw in a catalog. Surely, they can't get me for telling people to beware!
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#27
12-02-2007, 03:27 PM
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Get one that like this: http://www.arcatapet.com/item.cfm?cat=11175 Or one that says Dogs on Premises http://www.arcatapet.com/item.cfm?cat=10047
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12-02-2007, 05:28 PM
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12-02-2007, 05:40 PM
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ANYWAY back to Congo. The dogs weren't registered? Wow, that doesn't help the case then does it? Any recent updates on Congo and the other dogs?
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#30
12-02-2007, 05:46 PM
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Yea we wanted to get one with greys on it because a bunch of stupid idiots around here would use our fences to get back and forth to the easements along the back of the houses on my road. But once walker matured they stopped that. I think his face in teh window and him barking scared them.
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