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Old 11-22-2007, 08:30 AM
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What RD said is true - most people looking to break into a house don't want to deal with a barking dog. It's going to attract unwanted attention, so they move on to the next target. So in that respect, our Pug is a great protector because he barks at anything out of the ordinary. If someone decided to come in anyway, he'd bark at growl at them but he'd never get closer than 15'. I'm not sure that someone would shoot a dog either. Gunshots usually attract attention. Of course, if someone is under the influence of something, shooting a dog or having a dog barking at them is not going to matter much.

My wife and I were talking last night. Daisy was barking at something outside. She says "someone would have to be nuts to come into this house after hearing her". I agree. And if they did, not only do they have to deal with her (not that she'd bite anyone, but she is very intimidating with her size), then you have Gunnar waiting in the wings. A bicep bite or a frontal bite on the pectoral at the armpit from him is going to tear the muscle right off the bone, and at that point, most intruders are not worrying about anything but getting the heck out of there.
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Old 11-22-2007, 09:48 AM
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ah see Akitas are not a spitz breed, to me any more than a Chow is...they are Primitive breeds.

One way to avoid destructiveness is to get an ADULT rescue rather than a pup. They are past all that...and if they are not...you will know RIGHT AWAY.
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Old 11-22-2007, 09:57 AM
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Ollie's bark sure is greater than his bite !!!!
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Old 11-22-2007, 10:13 AM
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Great post Dan!

I agree with what RD said. Most intruders are not going to wait to deal with a barking dog -especially if it's a very deep, long bark. Like a bigger dog (English Mastiff, Pyr, Newfie, ect.)
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Old 11-22-2007, 01:41 PM
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I might seem crazy for this, but I would have a Great Dane. I've got Sasha, who is a dark brindle, and is VERY house/Shay protective.

Now, I couldn't tell you if she actualy WOULD bite, but I CAN tell you, she will NOT let a strange person into the house without me telling her it's okay. And she is very good about "You get in the other room!" When I am trying to open the door to let the person in.


But as they have said, I don't think you want a dog that IS going to bite right off the bat, but something that gives a warning, then if the person is still taking steps forward, is willing to protect if necessary.


I know what you mean, I live in a place with quite a few creepy drunks, kids who think it's "cool" to throw a rock through someones window... Or chase our stock to the point of death, and I tell you, having a dane that weighs more than I do, and me telling people I know "Oh yeah, we weighed Sasha, and she weighs more than I do!", just loud enough for the people who do all this to hear, has kept us pretty safe. Even during halloween!

I hope you find the right breed for you, however, PLEASE get this dog proper training, because, with Sasha, she didn't have it, and we went through a stong problem when she "bit" a woman (who we hadn't let in) who was trying to open our door to get in.
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Old 11-22-2007, 02:40 PM
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I cant think of a breed that would be good in doing actually protection without it being high energy,in need of lot of training and who doesnt ask for experience in handler.I can understand the desire to have a dog for protection.I spend each year two-three months at seahouse part out of season.Since most house around us belong to turists I would never feal comfortable without my dogs.My dogs are very territorial but in little one it isnt what you desire.I got her as 15 year old and when she was three months old we had my brother girlfriend visit-she was the first visitor-she barked,growled and attacked her leg.She is a terrier-daschund mix and she is fear aggressive from the day I got her.I spend a lot of time doing desentization,socialization and training and made big steps with her.But she is still a dog who by my opinion on her own teritory if pushed to far would be a potentional biter.My other girl is shepherd mix who is confident and well socilazed but very territorialy protective.In sea all visitors are halted in midle of yard dogs circle,growl,bark and prety much treat people like intruders.they stop on command.Both dogs are not really high energy level but somewhere in the middle are walks are around three-four hours a day in open woods.And they still dont have the energy level of GSD-s,belgians or dobermans.They are obedience trained and work competative obedience and rally obedience.What I am saying is that for me a dog who has potentional to bite is for most people to much to handle.My dogs are never left unsupervised in yard,if we have visitors when I am not home they are removed to my room.I always watch them.They are pack and act as pact and for all obedience a dog who would back up a bark isnt supposed to be in hands of unexperienced owner.You may pull it through it all depends on your character and how much time and money you are willing to invest in dog,and the said dog temperament.
Bulmastiffs sound like good choice-those I have met are gentle giants who scare people of with they looks,but not all dogs off same breed have the same temperament.But they still ask for a firm but fair handling,and need to be obedience trained.Some of the other giant breeds who are actually very sweet in character woul also probably be a good choice.
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Old 11-22-2007, 07:08 PM
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To the OP, first and foremost any and all puppies will have lots of energy. The first year they WILL require lots of daily walks, good runs, and lots of play time. Are you prepared to provide the adequate excersice that a pup needs, or are you willing to look into a more mellow adult dog? Personally, I think a pup does not suit the requirements that you are searching for.

Yes, there are several breeds that have a natural protection drive, but many of these breeds have very high prey drive, high energy levels, or higher than daily walks anyhow, they require good runs. If I had to pick a breed that would suit you I would suggest again an English Mastiff, but they aren't for every dog owner. They have large vet bills, drool a lot, and are VERY big. However, an adult is very laid back and content to lay on the couch all day long. Their size alone will make any intruder rethink facing up to a 200 lb dog and testing whether or not they will react. A mastiff was originally used for guarding, although the temperament is much more relaxed than it once was, they still have the instinct to protect if they absolutely must. Typically a Mastiff will get in between you and whatever is causing the threat thus causing the threat to leave before they have to become reactive.
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Noccy, a lot of the livestock guardians and mastiff breeds have lower exercise requirements. If you're okay with a really big dog, why not look into a female English Mastiff? They're obviously a lot larger than a Rottweiler, but they're generally rather agreeable dogs and the ones I've been around were not difficult to control, despite their size.
Agreed! Especially the bolded parts, lol. I think an English Mastiff would be a VERY good breed for you to look into, especially an adult or older rescue. Chances are if you get the dog from a rescue (VS a shelter) they will already be housebroken, basic obedience trained, and the foster parents should know the basics of the dog.. whether he/she is good with cats, destructive, low or high energy, etc.

I also think a retired racing Greyhound would fit the criteria you are looking for, possibly even more so than the Mastiff. They are smaller (but still LARGE dogs) and admittedly Greys aren't as much of a visual deterrent, rescues have many of them so there will be plenty of dogs that will fit in with your lifestyle. While Greys aren't nearly as intimidating as, say, a Doberman, one snarling and/or barking certainly will be equally intimidating. I would back off from ANY dog snarling at me, regardless of size--because even a small dog can do considerable amounts of damage if they are determined--and your average robber would, too.

Both have low exercise requirements and you can get both as adults. Saintgirl pretty much covered the WHY of getting an adult vs a puppy, but I'd like to bring in one other facet of that... it's HARD to find a good breeder. Unless you want to monetarily support abhorrent establishments such as puppymills (and pay thousands in vet bills later, especially with large breeds) and further their exploitation and irresponsible breeding of more dogs, it's not going to be easy or (relatively) cheap to get a puppy. Most well-bred medium-to-large breed dogs are 1,000+ and even after you've found a great breeder you will most likely have a wait of at least several months for your puppy, if not far longer. If you go to any old Joe Schmoe who bred Fifi to the neighbor's Rex because he wanted some cute puppies, that's not applicable. But, once again, you don't have a good chance of getting a healthy dog because god knows where Fifi and Rex came from, and their parents before them. Probably no health testing at all, and who knows about temperament.
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:25 AM
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Before you decide on any breed, I would suggest finding out if there are any Breed Specific Laws where you live and if your insurance company has a banned breed list that they won't cover. It may end up limiting your choices.

Talk to a few local Vet offices and maybe the police station as well. They may be able to steer you in the right direction towards finding reputable breeders or trainers.

Gives you an opportunity to check out your options for which Vet Clinic you will be using and it's never a bad idea to meet your local police as well!

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Old 11-23-2007, 10:06 AM
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My experience is that ANY dog, other than a toy, is something of a deterrant. I feel safer with Sarama with me (and she's only knee heigh and 50 lbs) and most of the people I've talked to say things like (you're going out after dark, bring that dog . . . meaning Sarama).

That said, your neighborhood sounds scary enough that I'd lean towards a large dog . . . but again, I think ANY large dog is a deterrant, except perhaps a golden retriever. And black dogs to seem to me more frightening, followed by brindle. My mother had a standard poodle when she lived alone in a bad part of town, because she was kept in a puppy clip, no one realized that big shaggy dog was a poodle . . . so they just thought big dog and kept away. So, I think any big dog would work.

I would hestiate on any of the guardian/protection breeds, because it sounds like YOU are scared. The dog will pick that up, and act (in its mind) appropriately. You don't want a dog that thinks that everything around is a threat (because no matter where you live, that's no true) and worse you might move somewhere safer and be left with a dog that many would consider dangerous. Since you are a beginner, I'd lean towards something large, dark and looks more scary than it generally is (though most dogs will move to protect you if you are threatened): a big black lab or black standard poodle (though neither is low energy), a dark colored great dane, a Newfie, or a number of other breeds that I don't know enough about to name.

You might also think about one of the bull breeds (absent BSL) but if you do DON'T get them from someone who claims they breed great guard dogs, etc. You're too likely to get sucked into the 'pit bulls are vicous/macho dogs crowd of breeders. But they are powerful dogs, and many, many people are afraid of them, even if they are complete lovebugs. Get one from a respectable, responsible breeder who breeds for some other purpose (or from a shelter, lots of nice ones need homes).

Keep in mind its better to frighten people off than hurt them, especially if they aren't actually dangerous (you don't want a lawsuit on your hands!).
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