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Old 11-13-2007, 04:06 PM
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I would have to go with the GSD that would be the most likely to survive. I was watching a show on world wars a few years ago and the GSD was the breed that was used because they are so adaptable to different climates and such. The breed out lasted MANY that were used such as dobermans, rotties, boxers, and even dalmations.
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:08 PM
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of my own dogs.
the chihuahuas COULD survive on scavanging trash and scraps, but i doubt they would due to the shere fact that upon finding me dead theyd both mourn and likely die of deperession.
Our cocker wouldnt know what to do with himself

Ruby could survive, she is smart enough and fast enough and has CAUGHT small mammals (chipmoks ect) i doubt it would take long before the hunger would push her into the chomp yum stage.

but i agree, it would depend on climate and availablity of certain prey animals, my chihuahuas are constantly catching and eating grasshoppers during the summer months, if they wernt so attatched to people in a place with a large insect population where it was warmer they could be ok...
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Old 11-13-2007, 07:10 PM
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Well, if you think of this scientifically rather than science fictiony then we already have the answers.

Dogs have evolved on their own for millions of years, with man purposely interfering in the process for only a few thousand. If Great Danes, or GSDs, or even the wily Poodle could exist on their own without benefit of man, then they already would have.

The influence that man has had is not to make dogs more successful with out us, but to make them more dependent on us.

The most compelling arguments I have seen that explain the rapid evolution o modern dogs is that it is not evolution at all, but rather devolution. Dogs are dumb wolves. Certain dog breeds were developed to emphasize the tracking instincts, certain the chase, other the kill; with all other existing instincts de-emphasized.

Now, if you allow for us leaving huge heaps of trash and empty cities rather than a pristine earth, it is possible some breeds (my guess small sneaky ones) might survive until the trash ran out. Otherwise, the world will be left to the cats, the wolves, and the pigs, who do just fine without us.

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Old 11-13-2007, 07:26 PM
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I disagree with the above post. Dogs can survive without us, we are more dependent on them for companionship and loyalty then they are to us. If it were up to the dogs they would be running around, no confinement no rules no boundaries. But our society wont allow it.
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Old 11-13-2007, 07:50 PM
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English bulldogs would be the first to go . . . A lot of the toy dogs would go next, IMO. They are an ideal "snack size" for so many animals and most don't have too many hunting instincts. I think squash faced dogs like pekingese and shih tzus would be especially vunerable because even if they tried to hunt, it would be hard to them to get a grip on anything, not having much of a muzzle. (Don't those breeds have less teeth too?)

Small terriers would do fairly well, like feral cats do. As long as they didn't challenge something way larger than themselves, like a bear or moose, and get eaten or kicked to death.

Large breeds that tend to have same-sex dog aggression (or dog aggression in general) would quickly be winnowed out. A large dog needs a LOT of food . . . Large prey animals are typically hard to kill and dangerous . . . A pack is the most efficient way to kill them. If a large dog can't get along in a pack . . . it has a big disadvantage.

Medium sized dogs might be able to subsist by themselves on smaller prey. But that would be very risky, because if a dog pack (or a wolf pack, since there are no longer humans around for wolves to avoid) came upon a lone dog, they could kill or severely injure him.

Anything with a lot of prey drive would have a big advantage.
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Old 11-13-2007, 07:55 PM
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I disagree with the above post. Dogs can survive without us, we are more dependent on them for companionship and loyalty then they are to us. If it were up to the dogs they would be running around, no confinement no rules no boundaries. But our society wont allow it.
OK, if they are not dependent on us, then why do dogs around the world ONLY live on their own in cities and where there are people/garbage. Why aren't escaped rat terriers found in the deep jungles of Africa and why aren't runaway greyhounds terrorizing kangaroos in the Australian outback. Feral cats DO live in these places.
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As far as my own personal dogs go, I def. think Naughty would bite the dust first. She is a very needy dog and is a tub o lard by nature, plus a heavier coat would make it very difficult in the texas heat. Pearl's breathing would also compromise her survival as well.

Kodak and Spider would have the best shot. Spy is very athletic and has a very high prey drive, I could def. see her catching and killing mice or whatever was available. Same goes for Kodak, as she is def. got the "dingo" attitude in the ACD body going on.

As for dogs in general, I think the little dogs and the big dogs would go first. I think your dog breeds that would survive are your medium built dogs, with brain power to think on thier own, alot of your herders and scent hounds. I could easily see Basenji's and ACDs running amuck lol.
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Old 11-13-2007, 08:22 PM
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There are to an extent, feral dogs living in situations like you describe. There was a coyote pack near my aunt's house that had a feral GSD running with them. She lived with them for two years, until my cousin was finally able to shoot her. She looked like a pure GSD. For sure she was not pure coyote, if she was even part (which I highly doubt).

A lot of feral dog packs that do get established tend to be taken out *very* quickly by farmers with guns, like that GSD did. They are extremely dangerous, tend to do a lot of damage to livestock, and are not protected by law like wolves.

Just look at wolves. They only live on a fraction of their former range, both in Europe and North America. Does this mean they are poorly adapted to living in the wild? No, it means they are poorly adapted to living in a world dominated by humans. The ONLY way they are able to recover any lost ground is by strict protection being put in place, and even then ranchers will still poach them when they begin to decimate their livestock and the govt. doesn't do anything to step in and take care of it.

Dogs don't get that kind of protection. We as humans do not allow them to exist without us. They become too dangerous and too expensive. There would be a lot of feral dog packs if people allowed them to become established.
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Old 11-13-2007, 08:29 PM
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Well, if you think of this scientifically rather than science fictiony then we already have the answers.

Dogs have evolved on their own for millions of years, with man purposely interfering in the process for only a few thousand. If Great Danes, or GSDs, or even the wily Poodle could exist on their own without benefit of man, then they already would have.

The influence that man has had is not to make dogs more successful with out us, but to make them more dependent on us.

The most compelling arguments I have seen that explain the rapid evolution o modern dogs is that it is not evolution at all, but rather devolution. Dogs are dumb wolves. Certain dog breeds were developed to emphasize the tracking instincts, certain the chase, other the kill; with all other existing instincts de-emphasized.

Now, if you allow for us leaving huge heaps of trash and empty cities rather than a pristine earth, it is possible some breeds (my guess small sneaky ones) might survive until the trash ran out. Otherwise, the world will be left to the cats, the wolves, and the pigs, who do just fine without us.

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You make good points, George . . . except Some of us live with dogs who aren't overly developed to emphasize one or two traits. That's one of the beauties - and responsibilities - of living with a more "primitive" breed. I can personally vouch for mine's abilities to stalk, kill and eat on their own. They really prefer what they hunt themselves. They also work together as a pack. They will use their herding instincts to drive their quarry where they want it, then one confronts and distracts while the others circle around, cutting off escape and making sure one is behind the prey to disable. They even confront human threats that way. But, you've gotta figure that anything that hunts jaguar . . . .
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Old 11-13-2007, 08:33 PM
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How does everyone think the different breeds will 'pack up'?

I believe that DA dogs will, fail in the end........they may rule at first but it will be the dogs with the best social skills that will survive.
As for terriers, I think it will depend on the dog, meaning hard or soft and whether its DA or not etc. Many terriers are smart enough not to take on some situations or at least not to do it alone lol.
I also think that the smaller dogs would end up (if possible) in the more arid areas, where the medium sized dogs wouldn't be, due to the lack of larger game.
I think any breed that isn't athletic and doesn't have social skills wont make it very long. Breeds with bad bites and limited in any way physcially would also go.....heavy boned/heavy body dogs done, dogs known to have problems whelping..toast. Any breed that requires grooming (my friend is a groomer and she has told me of the mats so bad that there are magots...........) gone.
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